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Never thought I'd be rooting for Wagner, too bad they said they're "turning back" already. Maybe they need more troops, so many died in Bakhmut.

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[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

You can’t understand that history of Ukraine is tough. Those who took power in UA in 2014 to me is like KKK will take power the same bloody way here in US …

If you think the KKK is going to “take power” here in the US, that is just proof that you’re susceptible to propaganda, and willfully soaking it up.

The KKK is nothing. They still exist, but they are a rare, scattered mess of inbred, backward-thinking fools who no one pays any attention to.

Sure, we still have racists here, of all skin colors and ethnicities, but it is not the prevalent issue that your TV tells you it is. In an effort to stir up shit, the propagandists are reporting that “white supremacist domestic terrorism is the number one threat to the US”, or some such BS, but it’s simply not true.

The facts and data say otherwise, but that won’t stop your TV from telling you that white supremacists are a huge threat to the US… or stop you from believing that drivel.

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KKK is a thing of the past. They are a total joke today thankfully

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Still waiting on you to remind me where I support invasion or Russia, logic boi

You're well known as a pro ruskie.

You like to post pics & vids of deceased Ukraine Hero's & being so very happy about them being killed, so much so that you actually have no problem happily bathing in their blood for fighting for their country, ppl & history, which is your country, ppl & history as your Ukrainian & for you to have an avatar even resembling anything russian kinda rings alarm bells to put it mildly as it clearly demonstrates your treasonous sentiment to rejoice in Ukrainian hero's dying on the field & so for you to say that you love your ppl, history & culture is nothing short of hypocritical bullshit & treason against your own kind.

Try waving that flag from the roof of your house & see what happens as you will certainly get the answers to your questions then ha.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

If you think the KKK is going to “take power” here in the US, that is just proof that you’re susceptible to propaganda, and willfully soaking it up.

The KKK is nothing. They still exist, but they are a rare, scattered mess of inbred, backward-thinking fools who no one pays any attention to.

Sure, we still have racists here, of all skin colors and ethnicities, but it is not the prevalent issue that your TV tells you it is. In an effort to stir up shit, the propagandists are reporting that “white supremacist domestic terrorism is the number one threat to the US”, or some such BS, but it’s simply not true.

The facts and data say otherwise, but that won’t stop your TV from telling you that white supremacists are a huge threat to the US… or stop you from believing that drivel.

Didn’t even finish reading that. I never thought it would happen, that was just an example. How could you put everything upside down and obv not getting my point like at all.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Didn’t even finish reading that. I never thought it would happen, that was just an example. How could you put everything upside down and obv not getting my point like at all.

Don’t accuse me of taking you “upside down” when, if you didn’t mean what you said, it’s only because you were so grossly imprecise with your language for my “upside down” interpretation of your statement to be exactly what you said.

But, even if you want the benefit of a mulligan on your statement, my point still carries.

You likened the administration that took power in Ukraine in 2014 to the KKK; an organization that propagandists are actively making into something much, much more relevant than it actually is. Likewise, propagandists have fashioned the Ukrainian administration into an organization with much more racism and nationalism than they actually have.

Your mental handlers have gone so far as to call the Ukrainian administration “Nazis”. They have instructed you to believe that they are genocidal racists because they have been forced to take aggressive measures to deal with a Russian state-backed insurgency in their eastern regions for nearly 20 years. Maybe some of those measure have been arguably overly-aggressive- but it’s difficult to judge such things when it comes to the defensive side in a war in which the invading side is attempting to erase the defenders’ nation and people.

The people who tell you what to think tell you to think of the Ukrainian administration as Nazis because that is a historical enemy that they know they can rally their useful idiots against. Culturally speaking, Ukrainian racism and nationalism are no more or less of a thing than they are in Russia.

The only difference between the two is that one has been actively attempting a genocide against the other for decades… and the other one is Ukraine.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

Don’t accuse me of taking you “upside down” when, if you didn’t mean what you said, it’s only because you were so grossly imprecise with your language for my “upside down” interpretation of your statement to be exactly what you said.

But, even if you want the benefit of a mulligan on your statement, my point still carries.

You likened the administration that took power in Ukraine in 2014 to the KKK; an organization that propagandists are actively making into something much, much more relevant than it actually is. Likewise, propagandists have fashioned the Ukrainian administration into an organization with much more racism and nationalism than they actually have.

Your mental handlers have gone so far as to call the Ukrainian administration “Nazis”. They have instructed you to believe that they are genocidal racists because they have been forced to take aggressive measures to deal with a Russian state-backed insurgency in their eastern regions for nearly 20 years. Maybe some of those measure have been arguably overly-aggressive- but it’s difficult to judge such things when it comes to the defensive side in a war in which the invading side is attempting to erase the defenders’ nation and people.

The people who tell you what to think tell you to think of the Ukrainian administration as Nazis because that is a historical enemy that they know they can rally their useful idiots against. Culturally speaking, Ukrainian racism and nationalism are no more or less of a thing than they are in Russia.

The only difference between the two is that one has been actively attempting a genocide against the other for decades… and the other one is Ukraine.

I have tried making this argument about the hypocrisy of Russia, therefore ANYONE else, using the "nazi" bullshit as an excuse to go into Ukraine and take shit that doesn't belong to them, killing and maiming whoever stands in their way, more times than I can count.

Not one time has anyone pro-Russian come back and admitted that there are just as many, but likely many more nationalist, far right people in Russia and Russian government. It usually gets deflected into some "CIA did Maiden" bullshit, western media this, western governments that.

I keep saying it, but this is an example of how far apart we are on even the BASICS. Therefore, it is a waste of time trying to discuss it or anything beyond.

I still am absolutely gobsmacked at how much realities differ from one side to the other.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I have tried making this argument about the hypocrisy of Russia, therefore ANYONE else, using the "nazi" bullshit as an excuse to go into Ukraine and take shit that doesn't belong to them, killing and maiming whoever stands in their way, more times than I can count.

Not one time has anyone pro-Russian come back and admitted that there are just as many, but likely many more nationalist, far right people in Russia and Russian government. It usually gets deflected into some "CIA did Maiden" bullshit, western media this, western governments that.

I keep saying it, but this is an example of how far apart we are on even the BASICS. Therefore, it is a waste of time trying to discuss it or anything beyond.

I still am absolutely gobsmacked at how much realities differ from one side to the other.

That’s fair, but I do think there is at least a vein of objectivity and truth in one “side” that doesn’t exist within the other.

If we transported this conversation back to January of 2022, or April of 2014, or even December of 2009, and you asked me what I thought of Russia and Ukraine, I would have told you they were both cesspools of governmental corruption, even more corrupt than the US and EU, but that Russia’s corruption represented a bigger threat to global stability because of their desires to rebuild their former empire.

Fast forward to June of 2023, and I would tell you…. exactly the same thing.


In the meantime, the pro-Russian useful idiots somehow manage to see the demonstrated failings of their chosen side as the unique fault of the other side… which happens to precisely coincide with the official narrative of their side’s ministry of propaganda.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

Don’t accuse me of taking you “upside down” when, if you didn’t mean what you said, it’s only because you were so grossly imprecise with your language for my “upside down” interpretation of your statement to be exactly what you said.

But, even if you want the benefit of a mulligan on your statement, my point still carries.

You likened the administration that took power in Ukraine in 2014 to the KKK; an organization that propagandists are actively making into something much, much more relevant than it actually is. Likewise, propagandists have fashioned the Ukrainian administration into an organization with much more racism and nationalism than they actually have.

Your mental handlers have gone so far as to call the Ukrainian administration “Nazis”. They have instructed you to believe that they are genocidal racists because they have been forced to take aggressive measures to deal with a Russian state-backed insurgency in their eastern regions for nearly 20 years. Maybe some of those measure have been arguably overly-aggressive- but it’s difficult to judge such things when it comes to the defensive side in a war in which the invading side is attempting to erase the defenders’ nation and people.

The people who tell you what to think tell you to think of the Ukrainian administration as Nazis because that is a historical enemy that they know they can rally their useful idiots against. Culturally speaking, Ukrainian racism and nationalism are no more or less of a thing than they are in Russia.

The only difference between the two is that one has been actively attempting a genocide against the other for decades… and the other one is Ukraine.

KKK was an example, if you find it a bad example I’ll take that.

I compared the two not because of their similarity in terms of what it stands for and all, but just by what effect on society it can make.

About Nazi and all. New so called government took power illegally and they were not regular Ukrainians in my opinion at least and my family. There were always people in UA who thought Bandera is a hero and USSR is an evil. Who glorify those who fought along side with NAZIs during WW2. And this people took power. So to me this is Mind blowing and I couldn’t come up with a better example in American history that would equally blow your mind than KKK.

Now I’ve never said all Ukrainians are Nazis, it’s just a BS. But guys like SVOBODA, Pravij Sector, Nac korpus and others are. Read about “Tornado” battalion for instance. SVOBODA even got in to parliament in 2014.

I’m southeastern Ukrainian, and for me those guys are criminals. You not going to prove me otherwise unfortunately.