Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread (Part Zero): 24 Feb - 31 Mar 2022

Faust · #**761** ● 03-21-2022, 05:54 PM

Things in common-
They both at one point fled Ukraine.

Things they don't have in common,
Damn near everything else.

I am just saying they are not only tying nazis to lamp posts, also people who try to flee or who steal from shops

Boneface · #**762** ● 03-21-2022, 06:13 PM

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY

I believe they specifically mean the battalions, not the entire country of course

In America people called then Neo-Nazis before btw:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...d-to-neo-nazis

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-31657354

Let's just kill two birds with one stone;
Outside of the humor and such.
That guy wasn't tied for being a Nazi, he was tied for maurading. They just drew a swastika on the sign, for whatever which reason. Maybe he was, maybe maurading is just a Nazi trait.

As for the right Sector and Azov Regiment,
They're clearly the best Ukraine has.
Without them- this war would've never happened because Russia would've ran Ukraine in 2014, or the Maiden revolt would've just not have happend.

However there are several Novorussians organizations that espouse a racial aspect of National Bolshevism, Fascism, And other NS type ideals.
Turns out their in the background because Azov and Right Sektor just proved more ruthless, not to mention all the other groups participating in this.
Frei korps, The Forward, whatever thousands of AtomWaffen knock offs and Misthanthropic Division which had members on the SBU at one point.

Comparing American white nationalists to Ukrainan white nationalists, Isnt quite doable as their national idea is largely different.
Besides the American white nationalist movement dispite being three hundred years old, can't get their shit together nor do they have any sortve uniformed purpose.
For example,
The American WP movement:
Don't take down flags and monuments,
Don't teach about things outside our agenda,
This patch vs this patch,
Keep them damn Antifa queer 'o sexuals in Portland!

It's just reactionary rhetoric.

Ukraines nationalists: Keep UA out of the EU, Nato, And definitely keep UA out of Russian hands.

They have political respect, and a history that backs their idea.
So their utilized.

Faust · #**763** ● 03-21-2022, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Boneface ↗

Let's just kill two birds with one stone;
Outside of the humor and such.
That guy wasn't tied for being a Nazi, he was tied for maurading. They just drew a swastika on the sign, for whatever which reason. Maybe he was, maybe maurading is just a Nazi trait.

As for the right Sector and Azov Regiment,
They're clearly the best Ukraine has.
Without them- this war would've never happened because Russia would've ran Ukraine in 2014, or the Maiden revolt would've just not have happend.

However there are several Novorussians organizations that espouse a racial aspect of National Bolshevism, Fascism, And other NS type ideals.
Turns out their in the background because Azov and Right Sektor just proved more ruthless, not to mention all the other groups participating in this.
Frei korps, The Forward, whatever thousands of AtomWaffen knock offs and Misthanthropic Division which had members on the SBU at one point.

Comparing American white nationalists to Ukrainan white nationalists, Isnt quite doable as their national idea is largely different.
Besides the American white nationalist movement dispite being three hundred years old, can't get their shit together nor do they have any sortve uniformed purpose.
For example,
The American WP movement:
Don't take down flags and monuments,
Don't teach about things outside our agenda,
This patch vs this patch,
Keep them damn Antifa queer 'o sexuals in Portland!

It's just reactionary rhetoric.

Ukraines nationalists: Keep UA out of the EU, Nato, And definitely keep UA out of Russian hands.

They have political respect, and a history that backs their idea.
So their utilized.

Thanks for your insight! A few questions:
Do you believe that the US funded Azov until 2018?
Do you believe US funded 'mild extremists' in Syria for example which would become ISIS?

Is it possible that a similar thing will happen once the government forces are taken out/the country is in ruins?

I was wondering about your perspective on this

Boneface · #**764** ● 03-21-2022, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Thanks for your insight! A few questions:
Do you believe that the US funded Azov until 2018?
Do you believe US funded 'mild extremists' in Syria for example which would become ISIS?

Is it possible that a similar thing will happen once the government forces are taken out/the country is in ruins?

I was wondering about your perspective on this

A private Israeli arm dealer funded Azov. Taylor or something of the sorts, NATO wouldn't fund Azov and that's why Azov was removed from the Gendermarine and they were "supposed" to hand mariupol to the Navy. Just as they handed over several other camps.
In a way though, Ukraine received backing, which then was passed to Azov.
So yes and no. Make sense?

In Syria - cia backed groups fought pentagon backed groups, and gave us the best DR videos, one could've ever asked for.

The more you learn about war, The less sense it makes.

To answer your last question, I just wrote a article for the American Futurists about that, the whole insurgency thing.

It's already like that, Eventually if Ukraine is defeated by military, (unlikely at this point) then yes, I can see worsening of radicalized populations, definitely against the left as the communist party in UA backs Russia and anti fascist armed groups have been wiped out in Odessa, the lesser intellectual is already going to equate left to enemy, and the Nationalist as hero.

joos · #**765** ● 03-21-2022, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY

I believe they specifically mean the battalions, not the entire country of course

In America people called then Neo-Nazis before btw:
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/3...d-to-neo-nazis

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-31657354

So the big bad lying mainstream media is ok to quote when it works for you, huh.

SatanClaus · #**766** ● 03-21-2022, 08:32 PM

Damn can’t those threads be about videos and pictures and not about worthless blabbering on political opinions

Thanks v1r btw for your implication, nice job.

johnnybravo · #**767** ● 03-21-2022, 08:33 PM

I'm feeling fantastic after news some Azov pigs were roasted in the mall bombing. If you don't believe me see their website.

cohort66 · #**768** ● 03-21-2022, 08:41 PM

Another great post derailed by idiots And there political leanings

LucasCarr · #**769** ● 03-21-2022, 10:41 PM

Coffee, a smoke and dead Russians, no better way to start the morning! Thanks for the vids guys.

lutherieguy · #**770** ● 03-21-2022, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by GlowingGhoul ↗

As satisfying as the "humiliation" and "torture" videos of Russian soldiers may be to some, the LEAST severe outcome for the perps would be war crime charges by whatever international body handles that after the conflict. If the Russians take over, as is
most likely, I wouldn't want to be them or their families.

Seeing as Poo-tin likes to field contractors and other soldiers with no uniforms or Russian markings in these types of affairs ( such as 2014 and right up until now in eastern Ukraine separatist areas) AND seeing as how he is saying it is NOT a war (only a 'special operation") I am not so sure the Geneva Convention and other rules would apply. You have to follow them to then cry foul about it later, I think. Fuck the rules then assholes - gloves off !

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