[GoreGram]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Listening to stupid.

Really?
How would you feel if Jimmy Kimmel was running our USA?
And "the" Ukraine canceled their last presidential elections.
Surely, it is not a dictatorship
Turban-wearing Ayatolahs are standing in awwwwe of this organ-playing fake president.
P.S. Google Zelensky playing Piano with Genitals.
Our tax money to Ukraine

[Solarsonic]

Originally Posted by GoreGram ↗

You are right, why am I culturely appropriating???
There was no Ukraine prior to 1991
I should have said Russia cailiming back their old land

Fuck off edgy cunt.

[Solarsonic]

Originally Posted by GoreGram ↗

He is in one of my Telegram chats, chimes in every now and then.
I also chat with Saddam, Asad, and also Gaddafi.
Don't hate my connections, appreciate

Now I know you're a fucking retard.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by TehOperator ↗

In WWII Ukraine was LIBERATED by HITLER! I mean how bad does shit have to be for people to go "oh thank Christ the SS is here, we won't starve now!!"

The alternative was continued Stalin and genocide. I'm sure Hitler didn't go into Ukraine saying "food, freedom and happiness for everyone I deem worthy of life".

Russia also collaborated with the nazi's during WWII to invade Poland. Until Germany turned on them and genocided the fuck out of them as well, of course.

Muddy waters everywhere.

[TehOperator]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

The alternative was continued Stalin and genocide. I'm sure Hitler didn't go into Ukraine saying "food, freedom and happiness for everyone I deem worthy of life".

Russia also collaborated with the nazi's during WWII to invade Poland. Until Germany turned on them and genocided the fuck out of them as well, of course.

Muddy waters everywhere.

That's exactly my point. It was SO BAD under USSR control that ukr to this day has references to Nazi stuff... Because they liberated them.

[TehOperator]

Originally Posted by GoreGram ↗

Really?
How would you feel if Jimmy Kimmel was running our USA?
And "the" Ukraine canceled their last presidential elections.
Surely, it is not a dictatorship
Turban-wearing Ayatolahs are standing in awwwwe of this organ-playing fake president.
P.S. Google Zelensky playing Piano with Genitals.
Our tax money to Ukraine

Just saying -
"Presidential elections were held in the United States on November 8, 1864, near the end of the American Civil War."

There should have been elections. Plain and simple. How the fuck can you vote someone out that's continuing a war? As soon as elections didn't happen, it crossed a line in my mind and I believe we should have halted all aid at that point.

I mean I KNOW we don't learn from shit in America - but what makes us think zelensky will have elections? Even if he did - all other parties are already outlaw. Come'on now.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by TehOperator ↗

Just saying -
"Presidential elections were held in the United States on November 8, 1864, near the end of the American Civil War."

There should have been elections. Plain and simple. How the fuck can you vote someone out that's continuing a war? As soon as elections didn't happen, it crossed a line in my mind and I believe we should have halted all aid at that point.

I mean I KNOW we don't learn from shit in America - but what makes us think zelensky will have elections? Even if he did - all other parties are already outlaw. Come'on now.

I disagree. I get your point, but you are missing the obvious. Its an all out war. How do you have fair elections if you dont even have control over your territory. People fail to grasp the scale of this war and the consequences.
Up to a third of Ukrainian voting population is either occupied, dead or left the country. That's 30% of the voters. For reference, during second world war, Poland lost around 20% of its population.
US during civil war, lost 2.5%

On top of that, the infrastructure is destroyed and there is no guarantee of having power, running water etc. Without power, voting machines wont work and counting the votes is gonna be that much more difficult. There is also a lot more difficult to guarantee the fairness of voting. Those who want to interfere with voting can simply burn or blow up a truck carrying votes/voting machines.

And even worse, changing administration in the middle of the war would cause chaos and disagreements that a nation at war can't afford. If my country was at war, i wouldn't want to vote, unless there was some serious mismanagement being done. Id want to keep stability and focus on longer term goals.
As far as zelensky is concerned, he has done everything right so far. He has rallied most of the west against the ruzzian führer, he has secured a lot of foreign aid( from your point of view, that aid is a loss, from his point of view, thats a win ), he has stood up to the second largest army in the world for 3 years and still, frontlines are moving at a snails pace.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by TehOperator ↗

That's exactly my point. It was SO BAD under USSR control that ukr to this day has references to Nazi stuff... Because they liberated them.

And Russia doesn't have far right extremist population at all, right? There are no humans running around praising Hitler and waving their swastika flags there at all, correct?



Russia collaborated with Nazi Germany then were promptly fucked over by them yet they have the largest representation of "nazi's" anywhere in the world. Now the country with the largest population of nazi's is "denazifying" their neighbor.

Oh, the hypocrisy.

[TehOperator]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Oh, the hypocrisy.

It's pretty deep, isn't it? Or having Nazis fight Nazis.

Being someone who is proud to be white, the ONE THING I have to say is simple. Before the war (and during) Ukraine was where "us" people would go to hide from uncle sam. "Hate based org." They call us.

But as soon as Putin said Nazis in Ukraine our government knowing good and well that's exactly where they are, tries to cover it up so good damn fast I got whiplash! That FUCKING BUGS THE SHIT OUT OF ME!!!

YES, they are a problem, IF you fuck with them.

NO they aren't invading Israel any day soon. I personally hate the Jews because they created a system based on race and it fucking works. So I stay poor.

That being said - they are America's allies. And I'd fight with them.

Nazis are highly motivated. Mostly well trained. Armed. As my brother used to tell people.

"You're here because you don't have a choice, we fucking love being here...."

Or something along those lines.

But honestly de-nazi your own house before moving onto someone else's *America jr.*

[TehOperator]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I disagree. I get your point, but you are missing the obvious. Its an all out war. How do you have fair elections if you dont even have control over your territory. People fail to grasp the scale of this war and the consequences.
Up to a third of Ukrainian voting population is either occupied, dead or left the country. That's 30% of the voters. For reference, during second world war, Poland lost around 20% of its population.
US during civil war, lost 2.5%

On top of that, the infrastructure is destroyed and there is no guarantee of having power, running water etc. Without power, voting machines wont work and counting the votes is gonna be that much more difficult. There is also a lot more difficult to guarantee the fairness of voting. Those who want to interfere with voting can simply burn or blow up a truck carrying votes/voting machines.

And even worse, changing administration in the middle of the war would cause chaos and disagreements that a nation at war can't afford. If my country was at war, i wouldn't want to vote, unless there was some serious mismanagement being done. Id want to keep stability and focus on longer term goals.
As far as zelensky is concerned, he has done everything right so far. He has rallied most of the west against the ruzzian führer, he has secured a lot of foreign aid( from your point of view, that aid is a loss, from his point of view, thats a win ), he has stood up to the second largest army in the world for 3 years and still, frontlines are moving at a snails pace.

I think you might not grasp the scale of the civil war.

"There were an estimated 1.5 million casualties reported during the Civil War."

Not to mention half of the country voting was you know.... At war with each other...