[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

It is true that they announce it


https://www.dw.com/en/kremlin-critic...ine/a-18596592

https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=j...Mzgr7YsrfkUWZS

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blog...ussian-border/

Looks like they have been showing off near the border for years, both sides at least

Get real plz.
Even the examples you provide show how ridiculous it is to say that "NATO threatens" Russia.
The exercises in your links had like 500 soldiers from US, and 2000 or so from locally drafted defense forces( these 2000 soldiers drill annually anyways...did so even before joining NATO)

Now, go and look at your own link. Look at the table that shows russian military exercices and the numbers associated. 100,000 – 160,000 troops participating.
160 000 is a real invasion force, a real threat to any of Russian neighbours. ( Ukraine was invaded by around 160 000 soldiers ).
Now...just think for yourself for a second. What is a realistic invasion force required to have a real chance of capturing Moscow? ( Also, there is no moment of surprise, so whatever amount you come up with...it needs to assemble next to the Russian border over many months ).
1 000 000 troops? 2 000 000 ? Germans tried with 4 000 000 and it wasnt enough.
Let's say...1 000 000 is enough to at least try?
When in the modern history has NATO come close to having that number of troops next to the Russian border, practicing invasion?

S...Showing off on both sides?
No...the sowing off is done on one side...Russia, which practices offensive takeovers of its neighbors. That's literally part of their military drill. They practice airdrops into baltics...cutting off resupply routes etc. They are not practicing defence.
Nato practices cohesion and defense.

PS: Im from Estonia, where military service is mandatory for all men, so i have personally taken part of these exercises too...and I've seen 1 take place within a stone's throw of where i live. There was no mention of Russia or any drills for attacking someone.
At least not for us...maybe we were left out and there was some secret inner circle that had a separate exercise.

[Wailode]

Argument that NATO is pure defense alliance is total propaganda bullshit. It's full of criminals who to this day didnt took responsibility for their criminal acts. NATO bombed yugoslavia in 1999 and also took part in bombing of libya and supporting war in Irak and Afghanistan. All of them were recognized as failure even by today's crooked regimes in europe and USA as info about them came out. NATO is definitely not behaving as defence alliance. It goes on offensive adventures here and there quite often. For them at the time it was ofc. justified by their own propaganda. But anyone who studied wikileaks knows bigger picture about what really happened and how shady business of this organisation work in background. Also big expansion of NATO towards east was not stopped even by warnings of many diplomats and geopolitical thinkers worldwide. Now they are supporting ua fanatics who support bandera and shout nazi slogans, well history repeats. Everyone sane who doesnt ignore historical facts can see clear picture of what NATO really is.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Argument that NATO is pure defense alliance is total propaganda bullshit. It's full of criminals who to this day didnt took responsibility for their criminal acts. NATO bombed yugoslavia in 1999 and also took part in bombing of libya and supporting war in Irak and Afghanistan. All of them were recognized as failure even by today's crooked regimes in europe and USA as info about them came out. NATO is definitely not behaving as defence alliance. It goes on offensive adventures here and there quite often. For them at the time it was ofc. justified by their own propaganda. But anyone who studied wikileaks knows bigger picture about what really happened and how shady business of this organisation work in background. Also big expansion of NATO towards east was not stopped even by warnings of many diplomats and geopolitical thinkers worldwide. Now they are supporting ua fanatics who support bandera and shout nazi slogans, well history repeats. Everyone sane who doesnt ignore historical facts can see clear picture of what NATO really is.

And bombing in Yugoslavia or Libya was bad because....?
NATO invaded and captured how many countries?
It started how many wars?

The few conflicts that NATO has participated in were approved by the UN and those conflicts were all well in progress of escalating. NATO's intervention in Yugoslavia ended the war much quicker and with fewer casualties than it otherwise would have been.
Other conflicts all involved oppressive dictators and im all in for getting rid of such shitfucks. Its the 21st fucking century and anyone who roots for autocrats is a moron. If you like autocracies that much...go to North Korea.

Again...the few conflicts you mentioned, that Russia has used as an excuse...were minor. Involved no ground invasion on any scale that could be a threat to Russia. NATO can't even accept Sweden and Finland into the union without running into opposition. Now imagine the proposal by some general to start an invasion into Russia and mobilize millions of soldiers...for...fun. No reason...just for fun.
It's nuts.

What nato is doing is something that the world must do as soon as possible. Unite. It's inevitable. How many wars have there been between nato members? How many wars between NATO and other democratic countries?
The more countries join nato, the safer the world becomes.
The same goes for other unions, like the European Union.

[Wailode]

"The few conflicts that NATO has participated in were approved by the UN and those conflicts were all well in progress of escalating."

False. Even OSN and UN criticized these offensive adventures of NATO. Thats why a lot of infomation about these wars were hidden from public for a long time. Thanks to wikileaks and many investigative journalist you can get bigger picture of what really happened and how geopolitical business work. Only naive people still believe that these wars happened to spread "democracy" or because of some hidden nuclear weapons. Its narrative for naive people like you, who then support any stupid war. USA and NATO started 80 percent of all world wars in period: from world war 2 to year 2001, not even mentioning next 20 years. Karma of all these actions is catching up to them. People remember. Nations remember. Its irony. Because they see terrorist almost everywhere in the world, especially in nations who have oil reserves or strategical geopolitical position. But it was them, who destroyed Nordstream, with was terrorist attack. Its like thief shouting catch the thief, but this time, people can see who is criminal here.

https://www.betterworld.info/conflic...ato-war-crimes

[Wailode]

Anti-NATO graffiti on a wall during the bombing of Novi Sad:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_b...�вија.jpeg

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

You're actually saying that Hitler invented the word "subhuman"?

It's origins date back to 1780-90's. Look it up. Hitler might have used the word, but he certainly did not invent it.

I didn't use the word, the source I quoted used it. I know what it means and I know what the holocaust was. Would you like me to dig up the source of the video and you can make your case with him or her?

It's feeling an awful lot like you're reaching for shit to butt heads about and I'm not interested.

If Kellyhound deems my quoting it from a source as "Hitleresque" then he can delete it or ask me to reword it.

Faust Fausting his Subhuman Bullshit !

[Rikbikboo]

So
What would happen if during these war games a Russian missile should kill some
Of these NATO soldiers. Would this be used as an excuse for NATO to retaliate?

It does seem a bit of a piss take doing it on the doorstep in the middle of a war zone doesn’t it.

It doesn’t take much intelligence to work that to work it out.

It’s like me knowing there’s a firefight in the next street and deciding to go and play football there.

Fucking stupid imo

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Aight, who’s gonna try to explain this one to me? Ride? Scorp? Sniff, Stiff or whatever? Whiskey, maybe you? Come on, guys, make it at least 2k word essay.

Anyone can change uniforms & put on blue armband tape ! It's also so perfectly staged for the camera !

More of your pro ruskie bullshit, try harder next time !

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Only naive people still believe that these wars happened to spread "democracy" or because of some hidden nuclear weapons.

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

Its narrative for naive people like you, who then support any stupid war.

No one cares about your petulant "holier than thou" bullshit Wailode. Take that shit elsewhere where other dictator-enablers will listen with glee. It's not here

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

"The few conflicts that NATO has participated in were approved by the UN and those conflicts were all well in progress of escalating."

False. Even OSN and UN criticized these offensive adventures of NATO. Thats why a lot of infomation about these wars were hidden from public for a long time. Thanks to wikileaks and many investigative journalist you can get bigger picture of what really happened and how geopolitical business work. Only naive people still believe that these wars happened to spread "democracy" or because of some hidden nuclear weapons. Its narrative for naive people like you, who then support any stupid war. USA and NATO started 80 percent of all world wars in period: from world war 2 to year 2001, not even mentioning next 20 years. Karma of all these actions is catching up to them. People remember. Nations remember. Its irony. Because they see terrorist almost everywhere in the world, especially in nations who have oil reservers or strategical geopolitical position. But it was them, who destroyed Nordstream, with was terrorist attack. Its like thief shouting catch the thief, but this time, people can see who is criminal here.

https://www.betterworld.info/conflic...ato-war-crimes

You conflate USA with NATO for start.
Iraq war wasnt started by NATO. Some nato members participated voluntarily.

The War in Afghanistan was sanctioned by the UN Security Council in Resolution 1386

The intervention in Libya was authorized by UN Security Council Resolution 1973

As for Kosovo...I assume you were Ok with ethnic cleansing and would have preferred it to go on indefinitely? Nato involvement in kosovo can easily be considered defensive. It didnt start the war and it chose a side to defend....forcing the aggressive side to stand down and ending the conflict.

I'll say it again, the problem is dictators and religions.
Get rid of them and the world can unite and human civilization can finally begin.

Divide all the wars in mankind's history into 4 categories.
1) War between Dictators VS Dictator
2) War between Dictator VS Democracy
3) War between Democracy VS Democracy
4) War between Theocracy VS Everyone.

You will see that there is always a dictator or a theocrat in the equation.