[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

The resignation of officials in Ukraine continues.

- Mikhail Podolyak, adviser to the office of President of Ukraine.

Who's next? Let's make some bets here.

50$ on Klitschko!

USD or RSD?

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Russian Orthodox warrior priests preparing for deployment somewhere in the area of SMO.

We need some conservative and religious smileys here.

Lol, "warrior priests" sounds like a game character from the "World of Warcraft" where Orcs had battle mages.

I bet every soldier wants to feel sprinkles of holy water on their cheeks after getting shot...instead of first aid or a tourniquet.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I didn't say that pro-Russian = conservative. I was asking the guy if that was the case...and once again, he confirmed the pattern. It's a pattern.

These issues aren't "completely unconnected" as you claim. Propaganda overwhelmingly favors the elderly...and the older people get, the more conservative they get. It's a proven fact.
You can see that shit everywhere. Most of the Russians that don't approve the war are young....those who are most in favor of the war are old. The older and more conservative a person is, the more easily they can be manipulated with empty promises and religious pandering. PS: the so called "nazi party" in my country( called so by Russian propaganda) is also the only conservative party in my country. Putin's "party" is also conservative. In the US, those most in vavor of Russia and most pro-russia are also conservatives( they favor russia because they have fallen for the "family values" political propaganda trap ) and they believe that Russia is the last bastion of "great family values" and "god fearing people".

There is a reason why there are ads on tv, targeting the elderly and reminding them not to click on suspicious emails from Nigerian princes and give their bank account details to strangers. When people get old, their thinking just isn't the same. It's just a sad reality of aging. I'm not immune to that shit either. I know, one day, the younger generation looks at me and wonders why I'm so stupid and can't see the obvious scams/propaganda or political pandering. I just hope that when that time comes, someone younger is there to point me in the right direction. Right now, however, I'm still young enough to do my own thinking and research.

So, in short, conservatism IS connected to pro-russian propaganda and i have personally at least confirmed that fact by asking people what they believe.

Your chain of illogical connections do not a logical conclusion make.

First, old/young is not a susceptibility criteria for propaganda. If there’s a differentiation to be made there, it’s that the more experience one has, the more difficult it is to convince that individual to disbelieve what they know in favor of what they’re being told. If you want a glaring example of susceptibility to propaganda, look at the modern Western world’s education systems. Children are openly being taught the most outlandish things, and primarily by the youngest, fresh-out-of-college teachers.

Second, pro-Russian sentiment, at least in the US, is not a left/right thing. Since 1917, not a lot in Russia has changed. For approximately 70 years, we referred to them as “communist”, but all along they were really just Communist. Russia, nor any other “communist” nation ever made it to stage-3. Every single one got hung up in stage-2, which is really just fascism (possibly making a distinction by adding in a healthy dose of imperialism not normally attributed to fascism).

Russia, from 1917 through to today, has been nothing more than a fascistic state. When it wore the moniker of “communist”, it carried great support from the left in the US. Since it gave up that label, really no one in the US is in favor of anything Russian.



So… how that filters down to the current geopolitical landscape is that there are two parallel threads of propaganda present on the information battlefield.

One says that Ukraine is full of Nazis, and Putin, who is most definitely not a raging power-bottom homosexual, is just doing his best to protect Russia from NATO aggression. This war is going to be over in 72 hours, I mean definitely this month, I mean in no more than 9 months, I mean Ukraine will crumble any day now. The only Ukrainians that Russians have killed were Nazis, especially all those evil schoolchildren, but thankfully has only lost five brave soldiers themselves.


The other thread of propaganda is that Russia is the real Nazis, and the hundred billion dollars of war aid from the west (so far) are being responsibly spent in defense of Ukraine, and nothing else. The war aid is definitely not being used as a laundry channel to fleece the western taxpayers for the benefit of the western ruling class. The Ukrainians have suffered heavy losses, but nothing compared to the fittyleven bajillion soldiers that Russia has lost, leaving Russia on the precipice of losing this war any day now.

Which of those two channels of propaganda you consume depends on which side’s channels you suckle from.


Then, thankfully, there’s the folks who actually do think for themselves. They can usually be identified by being able to construct position statements that include elements of both “Putin is an evil despot and I hope he gets his ass kicked out of Ukraine”, AND “Ukraine and our own leaders are completely dirty, and are using this war to promote their personal financial gain”.

In my experience, the only Americans I’ve seen following the Russian-generated pro-Russian propaganda, are the handful of ultra-left moonflowers who bit onto the allegations of Ukraine being Nazi, “and, like, anti-LGBTQ, and stuff”- every one of them young.

The vast majority, if not all, of the Americans I’ve seen bite on the pro-Ukraine/West propaganda have also been on the left side of the spectrum-mostly people who think CNN and NBC are actual news outlets.

The few people I’ve met who seem to have been able to eschew the propaganda from both sides, and recognize that Russia is wrong, but that our ruling class is also taking full advantage of this war, for financial gain, have been a sprinkling from both sides, and mostly old enough to have seen this movie before.


The pro-Russia/pro-Ukraine propaganda is not a left/right thing. It’s a thinker/zombie thing, and the only actual thinkers are the ones who refuse both sides of it.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

USD or RSD?

Why, USD, ofcourse. I may be little slow, but I'm not stupid.

[ljubodrag]

Scorpio, buddy, you have awaken the kraken.

No, seriously, this smiff guy is making me uncomfortable. I got the urge to slap him in the face like that Russnya did to that poor ukie pow.

I wanna, but I'm not gonna.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

There is nothing to take back. You seem to use the "Faust"'ian fake smileys to deflect the criticism and make everything look like a joke and pretend that you don't support nazis...but you do.

Go and address the shit that you posted. People like you who actively seek out propaganda, no matter how ridiculous or absurd are partly responsible for the deaths of innocent people in Ukraine and push the world closer to world war 3 by empowering dictators.

Just out of curiosity: are you a severely religious conservative and also old( +50 or so ). Just an off-topic question to check some behavior patterns.

Well said !
This ljubodrag ruskie is a true believer & proudly wears his toothbrush moustache along with his avatar for all to see & this speaks volumes.

[Roosta]

[QUOTE=DrKGSmiff;7822317]Your chain of illogical connections do not a logical conclusion make.

“Putin is an evil despot and I hope he gets his ass kicked out of Ukraine”

ljubodrag has a slow processor so he would clearly not understand what is being shown & informed of, so the long points of factual evidence clearly go straight over his one eyed pro ruskie head.
I would suggest that you keep it to very short sentences rather than factual evidence explanations as he continually struggles to comprehend reality with his sporadic baseless & nonfactual posts but I do give him a gold medal for being the latest pro ruskie DH here & he definitely has traits of Duntez & Faust in him so looks like we have another pro ruskie toy to kick around !

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

Your chain of illogical connections do not a logical conclusion make.

First, old/young is not a susceptibility criteria for propaganda. If there’s a differentiation to be made there, it’s that the more experience one has, the more difficult it is to convince that individual to disbelieve what they know in favor of what they’re being told. If you want a glaring example of susceptibility to propaganda, look at the modern Western world’s education systems. Children are openly being taught the most outlandish things, and primarily by the youngest, fresh-out-of-college teachers.

Second, pro-Russian sentiment, at least in the US, is not a left/right thing. Since 1917, not a lot in Russia has changed. For approximately 70 years, we referred to them as “communist”, but all along they were really just Communist. Russia, nor any other “communist” nation ever made it to stage-3. Every single one got hung up in stage-2, which is really just fascism (possibly making a distinction by adding in a healthy dose of imperialism not normally attributed to fascism).

Russia, from 1917 through to today, has been nothing more than a fascistic state. When it wore the moniker of “communist”, it carried great support from the left in the US. Since it gave up that label, really no one in the US is in favor of anything Russian.



So… how that filters down to the current geopolitical landscape is that there are two parallel threads of propaganda present on the information battlefield.

One says that Ukraine is full of Nazis, and Putin, who is most definitely not a raging power-bottom homosexual, is just doing his best to protect Russia from NATO aggression. This war is going to be over in 72 hours, I mean definitely this month, I mean in no more than 9 months, I mean Ukraine will crumble any day now. The only Ukrainians that Russians have killed were Nazis, especially all those evil schoolchildren, but thankfully has only lost five brave soldiers themselves.


The other thread of propaganda is that Russia is the real Nazis, and the hundred billion dollars of war aid from the west (so far) are being responsibly spent in defense of Ukraine, and nothing else. The war aid is definitely not being used as a laundry channel to fleece the western taxpayers for the benefit of the western ruling class. The Ukrainians have suffered heavy losses, but nothing compared to the fittyleven bajillion soldiers that Russia has lost, leaving Russia on the precipice of losing this war any day now.

Which of those two channels of propaganda you consume depends on which side’s channels you suckle from.


Then, thankfully, there’s the folks who actually do think for themselves. They can usually be identified by being able to construct position statements that include elements of both “Putin is an evil despot and I hope he gets his ass kicked out of Ukraine”, AND “Ukraine and our own leaders are completely dirty, and are using this war to promote their personal financial gain”.

In my experience, the only Americans I’ve seen following the Russian-generated pro-Russian propaganda, are the handful of ultra-left moonflowers who bit onto the allegations of Ukraine being Nazi, “and, like, anti-LGBTQ, and stuff”- every one of them young.

The vast majority, if not all, of the Americans I’ve seen bite on the pro-Ukraine/West propaganda have also been on the left side of the spectrum-mostly people who think CNN and NBC are actual news outlets.

The few people I’ve met who seem to have been able to eschew the propaganda from both sides, and recognize that Russia is wrong, but that our ruling class is also taking full advantage of this war, for financial gain, have been a sprinkling from both sides, and mostly old enough to have seen this movie before.


The pro-Russia/pro-Ukraine propaganda is not a left/right thing. It’s a thinker/zombie thing, and the only actual thinkers are the ones who refuse both sides of it.

I don't actually disagree with you that much...but I'm still gonna address a few points.

First, old/young is not a susceptibility criteria for propaganda.

This is where I disagree with you. Of course, age is a very important determinant of whether someone believes in something or not.
The very young and the very old are far more susceptible to false claims and propaganda than teen-to-mid age'd people. Children believe anything...from Santa to pixies. The old will do the same...if they don't take care of their mental faculties. It doesn't mean that older people are stupid, or easy to fool with propaganda...it just means that they need to work a lot harder to make sure that they aren't fooled. Just like it doesn't mean that middle-aged men are out of shape and have a beer belly...it just means that they need to work harder to make sure that they don't.

If there’s a differentiation to be made there, it’s that the more experience one has, the more difficult it is to convince that individual to disbelieve what they know in favor of what they’re being told.

This here...is where I agree with you, and it plays an important role in how false information spreads and how people form their beliefs. The older a person becomes, the more they are settled in their ways and the harder it is to change their mind. This is why the older people get, the more conservative they become. Conservatism tries to keep things "the way things were when I was young" and it fights against fast change and progress. This is also why conservatives are severely religious. They were indoctrinated at a very young age( again, age plays a crucial role here ) and after that, changing your religious views is extremely difficult.
Now, modern-day social media algorithms amplify this tendency to "believe what you are believe" by showing people media that is similar to what they have been watching before. It means that if someone stumbles on a conspiracy theory, a flat earth article or some propaganda piece, then all the social media will start to push those agendas on you...making you watch even more bullshit content...which in turn feeds back to the algorithm and makes the problem worse.

Children are openly being taught the most outlandish things, and primarily by the youngest

This one here caught my attention. I'm not familiar with schools in the USA, so, could you fill me up on what outlandish things they teach in schools over there?

Second, pro-Russian sentiment, at least in the US, is not a left/right thing.

I agree with this one here as well.
US in general either doesn't care about Russia or is anti Russia. Definitely not pro-russia. But...the groups in US that do push pro-russian propaganda...in my personal experience, have all been Christian nationalists with the attitude of "get them Mexicans off my lawn, Putin is right because he fights for family values and save Jesus....even if its a Russian jesus.
Putin is a conservative and is pushing conservative values and his version of jesus. This is what draws conservatives from other countries to their side. This is why all pro-russian westerners have been conservatives and this is why i asked pro-russians in these forums if people were conservative Christians.


There difference between the Western and Russian propaganda is actually huge imo.
In the west, the propaganda manifests itself in massive bias to one side or telling only one side of the story. You can still search out other conflicting information. There is significant variety in western news.
Russian propaganda however, is manufactured on a state level. Some of it is made up, some is exaggerated, some is created as a diversion. Russian propaganda has no alternative. Its propaganda ministry employs thousands of "content creators" in an effort to influence the west. They admitted to influencing the US elections that way(giving Trump a win).
They have workers whose sole job is to create blog posts and fake pro-Russian comments.
Western propaganda = Strong Bias
Russian propaganda = actual propaganda, with made-up stories, false facts and carefully constructed disinformation.

[WonderMomma]

"We asked people in the streets of Kyiv:

Do you remember 24 February, beginning of the huge war?
Did you think it was even possible? "

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Reznikov has resigned as Ukraine's defense minister.

Did a little more digging on this and there's more to the story.

Turns out Reznikov is going to resign and take the position of Minister of Strategic Industries "to strengthen military-industrial cooperation." But Reznikov refutes that this position was offered to him and that he would refused the offer saying he does "not have the expertise".

There is also reports that he may become Justice Minister but that he should stay in government.

Kyrylo Budanov, current Intelligence Chief, is reported to be appointed Minister of Defense in his stead. (EDIT: news broke 20 minutes ago, 21:10 ET that this is confirmed)

Given that there's been recent scandal with the firing of several top officials under Reznikov's leadership they are just shifting things accordingly. Still very much anti-corruption related. Hard to say for sure where Reznikov will end up after the meeting next week when this is supposed to take place, if anywhere at all.

Source: https://kyivindependent.com/news-fee...-his-dismissal

Defense Minister says he will step down if Zelensky orders his dismissal
February 5, 2023 4:42 pm

Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov said during a briefing on Feb. 5 that he was ready to step down if President Volodymyr Zelenksy ordered his dismissal.

“No official is in the chair forever. Not one,” Reznikov said. “...I will do what the head of state suggests to me.”

The statement comes after Ukrainian news outlet Ukrainska Pravda reported citing government and military sources, that Reznikov will likely be dismissed from his ministerial post next week.

According to the publication, the likely replacement for him is Kyrylo Budanov, head of Ukraine’s military intelligence.

A government source confirmed to the Kyiv Independent that Reznikov was likely to be replaced in the very near future.

Reznikov could be appointed Justice Minister upon dismissal, as “no one in the Presidential Office has any doubt” that Reznikov should stay in the government, according to the Ukrainska Pravda article.

According to the report, Justice Minister Denys Maliuska could be appointed as an ambassador to a Ukrainian diplomatic mission in Europe.

The report hasn’t provided information on who will head Ukraine’s military intelligence agency if Budanov is appointed as defense minister.

Reznikov, 56, has served as Defense Minister since Nov. 4, 2021, overseeing the ministry throughout the entirety of Russia’s full-scale war against Ukraine.

During this time, Reznikov played an important role in campaigning for and securing Western military aid that has proved vital to Ukraine’s resistance against Russia.

In late January, the Defense Ministry was beset by a high-profile corruption scandal that led to the firing of several top officials.

Ukrainian newspaper ZN.UA reported on Jan. 21 that the Defense Ministry procured large amounts of food products for the military at inflated prices.

The National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine has since opened an investigation into the alleged scheme.

Reznikov’s deputy, Vyacheslav Shapovalov, was dismissed from the Defense Ministry on Jan. 24.

On Jan. 31, Reznikov said that an audit of the army’s procurement process had been launched on June 29. Its initial results in December found that the procurement system was deficient.

When the ZN.UA article first broke, Reznikov denied any wrongdoing, saying that whoever leaked the procurement documents committed a crime.

A court arrested Shapovalov for 60 days on Feb. 2.