[WonderMomma]

Instead of New Year's songs, children will listen to songs about Putin. In Moscow, parents bought a toy for their child at Wildberries, which should sing New Year's songs. Only now the Christmas tree sings “Such as Putin” every time it is turned on.

[SinisterNm]

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Well, that’s something new

Russian lullabies for sleep.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by SinisterNm ↗

Oh this is perfect. Yeah, they're the workhorses...

[duntez]

Originally Posted by SinisterNm ↗

Lmao… the truth

[WonderMomma]

Did you know that electric generators can sing? ()

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

2. First person footage of police of Kryvyi Rih rescued people after a missile attack

EDIT: The young couple that died in this shelling had a 1.5 year old son. His body was discovered last night... he didn't make it.

POINT TO BE RAISED FOR ALL !

Don't we have enough death in front of us with combatants & war related stuff that we can be informed about without bringing kids into it as I don't think that it's necessary to give full explicit accounts of what happens to them, visual imagery or written media serves no purpose, intel wise or other, as we know that it happens, but IMO, I think that it sickens the hardest individual & should be made into a separate thread if ppl want to go there & on that basis I respectfully ask that even though this is Documenting Reality in its purest form I'm still of the opinion that war related children & civilians vids & media be made into another thread.
This has happened a couple of times now by a few dif posters & I for one need to say something as War Related should be just that, with dif sections that we have, only also have a ''Casualties of War'' section where it's more defined so that one doesn't stumble across unwanted or should I say, ''extremely concerning material'' as war can fuck a lot of shit up yes, but I would like to think that most of us don't really want or need to hear about kids & that, in a generalized thread, so let's start another thread, ''Casualties of War'' for this kind of stuff PLZ !

Just my opinion, but a valid one !

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

POINT TO BE RAISED FOR ALL !

Don't we have enough death in front of us with combatants & war related stuff that we can be informed about without bringing kids into it as I don't think that it's necessary to give full explicit accounts of what happens to them, visual imagery or written media serves no purpose, intel wise or other, as we know that it happens, but IMO, I think that it sickens the hardest individual & should be made into a separate thread if ppl want to go there & on that basis I respectfully ask that even though this is Documenting Reality in its purest form I'm still of the opinion that war related children & civilians vids & media be made into another thread.
This has happened a couple of times now by a few dif posters & I for one need to say something as War Related should be just that, with dif sections that we have, only also have a ''Casualties of War'' section where it's more defined so that one doesn't stumble across unwanted or should I say, ''extremely concerning material'' as war can fuck a lot of shit up yes, but I would like to think that most of us don't really want or need to hear about kids & that, in a generalized thread, so let's start another thread, ''Casualties of War'' for this kind of stuff PLZ !

Just my opinion, but a valid one !

I understand what you're saying... that's a very valid point and respectfully, here is my view.

We are not showing the children as that goes against the rules of the site... even if it were allowed, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to post pictures of deceased children. As for civilians... and the children... they are a part of the atrocities going on in Ukraine, very much related to the war. If the war was not happening, they wouldn't be losing their lives... I feel it's important and appropriate to document it all (with no pictures of deceased children) along with all the other loss of life due to this war.

It's all horrible and unfortunate... and while it's all difficult for me to see personally... also documenting the civilian part of this war is crucial. It is probably the most sobering of reminders of the human toll this war is having on the people that live in Ukraine. It's important to keep their realities in mind for those of us who aren't there and couldn't possibly begin to imagine what they are going through.

The people that are there and living this first hand, don't have an option to omit it from their reality. And I can guarantee you that the situation for them is way worse than we could even know... sitting in our warm clothes, with heat, electricity, slippers, blankets, food in our bellies, roofs over our heads and loved ones within reach.

Of course, if it's ever decided not to document the civilian tragedy of this war, I will comply. I just feel it's an important aspect that needs to be told as difficult as it is.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I understand what you're saying... that's a very valid point and respectfully, here is my view.

We are not showing the children as that goes against the rules of the site... even if it were allowed, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to post pictures of deceased children. As for civilians... and the children... they are a part of the atrocities going on in Ukraine, very much related to the war. If the war was not happening, they wouldn't be losing their lives... I feel it's important and appropriate to document it all (with no pictures of deceased children) along with all the other loss of life due to this war.

It's all horrible and unfortunate... and while it's all difficult for me to see personally... also documenting the civilian part of this war is crucial. It is probably the most sobering of reminders of the human toll this war is having on the people that live in Ukraine. It's important to keep their realities in mind for those of us who aren't there and couldn't possibly begin to imagine what they are going through.

The people that are there and living this first hand, don't have an option to omit it from their reality. And I can guarantee you that the situation for them is way worse than we could even know... sitting in our warm clothes, with heat, electricity, slippers, blankets, food in our bellies, roofs over our heads and loved ones within reach.

Of course, if it's ever decided not to document the civilian tragedy of this war, I will comply. I just feel it's an important aspect that needs to be told as difficult as it is.

I totally agree with you WM,
BUT, & there's always a BUT,
IMO, I still think that it is necessary to have a separate thread as "Casualties of War" is a completely different aspect & part of this totally unnecessary invasion / war overall & should be documented as such as that information is detracting from the main point of the thread & even though it may be a seemingly necessary inclusion, & that we all know it happens, doesn't necessarily mean that we need to document it in a main line thread & that IMO it needs to be published under its own thread either "Casualties of War" or whatever but NOT under the mainstream of war itself. We all see & know what war does & your efforts to bring us the best possible information about the war is outstanding BUT realities need to be chosen & documented as such, under their own separate issues. Mainstream war is just that & War is Raw, yes, we all know that, BUT casualties of war, especially children & civies should have their own thread regardless as some of us don't want to hear about that, even though we know it goes on & we should have a choice about it rather than stumbling upon it in the mainline thread & that is if ppl want to go there in the first place.
I'm also quite aware of the rules regarding vid or pic posts of children & rightly so as this topic is very unsettling to say the least & as such needs to be mentioned, talked about, or discussed in another thread. It's a sensitive issue that unfortunately won't go away because of the war in all its high's & lows, it's just that we don't need reminding & if we do, there's a separate thread there for us to be reminded IF we choose to do so, BUT the current way that it's just thrown out there needs to be addressed IMO & maybe I'm wrong, I may be showing to much heart, maybe ppl underestimate the power of war to a degree that they need to be reminded of these things over & over & over, which brings hate & then greed, I might add, that pretty much started all this shit in the first place BUT we really need to have a choice about what intel we want to know about rather than just posting stuff without even a WARNING about "CHILD RELATED MATERIAL" on a particular post in the thread, as then we can scroll through that post without reading it, CHOICE !

Empathy is a trait that the human race could use more of.

Apologies for not putting this in the discussion thread but I had to reply in this thread. I will use the correct thread in future !

[William May]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I understand what you're saying... that's a very valid point and respectfully, here is my view.

We are not showing the children as that goes against the rules of the site... even if it were allowed, I wouldn't be able to bring myself to post pictures of deceased children. As for civilians... and the children... they are a part of the atrocities going on in Ukraine, very much related to the war. If the war was not happening, they wouldn't be losing their lives... I feel it's important and appropriate to document it all (with no pictures of deceased children) along with all the other loss of life due to this war.

It's all horrible and unfortunate... and while it's all difficult for me to see personally... also documenting the civilian part of this war is crucial. It is probably the most sobering of reminders of the human toll this war is having on the people that live in Ukraine. It's important to keep their realities in mind for those of us who aren't there and couldn't possibly begin to imagine what they are going through.

The people that are there and living this first hand, don't have an option to omit it from their reality. And I can guarantee you that the situation for them is way worse than we could even know... sitting in our warm clothes, with heat, electricity, slippers, blankets, food in our bellies, roofs over our heads and loved ones within reach.

Of course, if it's ever decided not to document the civilian tragedy of this war, I will comply. I just feel it's an important aspect that needs to be told as difficult as it is.

WonderMomma, I could not agree MORE. This ENTIRE WAR is the fault of the Russians. EVERY SINGLE ATROCITY should be recorded and available. NOTHING should be hidden. The Russians should face ALL the evidence of what they have done, with no chance of denial.
If you start hiding stuff because it's unpleasant, you devalue the lives of the victims of this war.
Why do you think the Allied governments filmed and photographed the Holocaust sites as they were found? It wasn't for entertainment purposes. It was so it could NEVER be denied or hidden.