[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by SinisterNm ↗

-private- hey guys i found some cool lights!

-lieutenant- where the hell did all the target designators go?

Looks like MILES gear. Military laser tag I still have a few of my casualty cards from Ft Benning.

[spamwich]

It seems the carnage continues at a steady clip.

Why is there such little talk of a resolution? Where are the calls for ceasefire? or the reports on hosting summits? or mediating dialogues? or brokering peace agreements?

The lack of progress is a bit confusing.

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by spamwich ↗

It seems the carnage continues at a steady clip.

Why is there such little talk of a resolution? Where are the calls for ceasefire? or the reports on hosting summits? or mediating dialogues? or brokering peace agreements?

The lack of progress is a bit confusing.

I wouldn’t hold it against Ukraine (or their western arms support) if they didn’t stop until they had Crimea back. The perceived 10 months of this conflict come into clearer perspective when one acknowledges that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, not 2022.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by spamwich ↗

It seems the carnage continues at a steady clip.

Why is there such little talk of a resolution? Where are the calls for ceasefire? or the reports on hosting summits? or mediating dialogues? or brokering peace agreements?

The lack of progress is a bit confusing.

Also, I think Ukraine was more keen on "peace talks" back at the start of the invasion in Feb 2022... but nothing ever got resolved.

A couple of Ukraine's allies are urging Zelenskyy to negotiate with Russia... and there is word going around that Moscow is, very recently, wanting to sit down and talk... but I don't personally see this happening.

Zelenskyy discussed his terms at the G20 summit this past week... these were his terms... but he's also said that Russia must withdrawal and remove itself from the Donbas and Crimea as well.

I don't see them coming to any kind of compromise on this stuff.


Zelenskyy quote:
"It is not worth offering Ukraine compromises with conscience, sovereignty, territory and independence. We respect the rules and we are people of our word. Ukraine has always been a leader in peacekeeping efforts, and the world has seen it. And if Russia says that it supposedly wants to end this war, let it prove it with actions.

We will not allow Russia to wait, build up its forces, and then start a new series of terror and global destabilization. There will be no Minsk-3, which Russia will violate immediately after conclusion.

There is a Ukrainian formula for peace. Peace for Ukraine, Europe and the world. And there is a set of solutions that can be implemented to really guarantee peace.

Having participated in the G20 summit, I presented proposals for such solutions - specific and honest. Ukraine offers the leading states of the world to be co-creators of peace together with us."

So, the proposals of Ukraine:
1. Radiation and nuclear safety.
2. Food safety.
3. Energy security.
4. Release of all prisoners and deportees.
5. Implementation of the UN Charter and restoration of the territorial integrity of Ukraine and the world order.
6. Withdrawal of Russian troops and cessation of hostilities.
7. Restoring justice.
8. Anti-ecocide.
9. Prevention of escalation.
10. Fixing the end of the war.

[WonderMomma]

"Absurdly beautiful Autumn in Donbass"

[spamwich]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Also, I think Ukraine was more keen on "peace talks" back at the start of the invasion in Feb 22... but nothing ever got resolved.

A couple of Ukraine's allies are urging Zelenskyy to negotiate with Russia... and there is word going around that Moscow is, very recently, wanting to sit down and talk... but I don't personally see this happening.

Zelenskyy discussed his terms at the G20 summit this past week... these were his terms... but he's also said that Russia must withdrawal and remove itself from the Donbas and Crimea as well.

I don't see them coming to any kind of compromise on this stuff.


Zelenskyy quote:
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Thank you.

It seems Ukraine has defined a some terms. Perhaps Russia has a list as well? Maybe comparing lists would yield a solution somewhere...or at least the start of dialog.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by spamwich ↗

Thank you.

It seems Ukraine has defined a some terms. Perhaps Russia has a list as well? Maybe comparing lists would yield a solution somewhere...or at least the start of dialog.

I have not seen such terms from Russia yet, not to say they don't exist. I only have a select few Russian sources which I browse on a daily basis but if I come across something I will certainly share it.

For now this is what Wikipedia has for recent peace talks:

September 2022
In September, Reuters reported that Dmitry Kozak had an agreement with the Ukrainian side with Ukraine's declaration that it will not join NATO, which was presented as Russia's key concern. The agreement was however blocked by Putin, who "expanded his objectives to include annexing swathes of Ukrainian territory".[11][59] In the same month, Ukraine rejected a peace plan proposed by Mexico.[60]

On 21 September, Zelenskyy addressed the UN General Assembly with a pre-recorded video, laying out five "non-negotiable" conditions for a "peace formula", comprising "just punishment" of Russia for its crimes committed against Ukraine, protection of life by "all available means allowed by the UN charter", restoring security and territorial integrity, security guarantees from other countries, and determination for Ukraine to continue defending itself.[61] Speaking to Bild, Zelenskyy stated that he saw little chance of holding talks with Putin unless Russia withdrew its forces from Ukrainian territory.[62] Following Putin's announcement of Russia annexing four regions of Ukrainian territory it had seized during its invasion, Zelenskyy announced that Ukraine would not hold peace talks with Russia while Putin was president.[63]

October 2022
Following the October 2022 missile strikes on Ukraine, China and India, who had abstained from condemning Russia at the UN, expressed concern and called for de-escalation and dialogue.[64] Turkish President Erdogan expressed some hope for a diplomatic resolution, saying that Putin "is now more open to possible peace talks" and that Kyiv "was not rejecting such peace talks."[65] The Russian government announced it was ready for a renewed dialogue, and indeed had always been open to negotiating an end to hostilities.[66] The Ukrainian leadership responded that it did not believe Russia was truly committed to peace, and was simply hoping to stall for time while rebuilding its military capabilities for future offensives.[67]

Wikipedia 2022 Russia-Ukraine peace negotiations (Complete)

[WonderMomma]

The first food aid from Kirovohrad Oblast is already in Kherson! People were under occupation for many months, now they suffer without heat and light. We are especially happy with fragrant bread! Another cargo is on the way, the head of the Kirovohrad OVA, Andriy Raikovych

[spamwich]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I have not seen such terms from Russia yet, not to say they don't exist. I only have a select few Russian sources which I browse on a daily basis but if I come across something I will certainly share it.

For now this is what Wikipedia has for recent peace talks:
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Thank you, again...and to DrKGSmiff for an earlier response.

The ignorance that hath afflicted me abates. I will build on this exchange by reviewing the Wikipedia references (and their references). Some historical research seems in order too. Perhaps I might eventually achieve conversational aptitude on the subject.

[scorpion9]

The problem with Russian peace terms is that they are all 100% one sided.

Russian Demands : "We get to keep all the conquered lands, block Ukraine from integrating with the west and get a say in Ukraine's future"
Russian compromise is: "<none>"

I think the only thing Russia has been willing to give up so far is attacking Kiev and other Western Ukrainian parts.