Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II

duntez · #**681** ● 10-10-2022, 09:11 AM

Sorry Duntez but I am not going to engage in countering any of the same arguments over and over. It’s pointless and will just keep going in circles.

You think I’m nuts, I think you’re nuts (no disrespect intended).

It’s just going to have to stay that way.

Asked and answered.

Never herd this phrase here but we have a saying “silence means agreement(compliance?)”. Not sure which word would sound better here

At least you answered! Appreciate that!

duntez · #**682** ● 10-10-2022, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Do you really think they are allowed to answer that honestly?

Allowed? Why not lol

Rfneimad · #**683** ● 10-10-2022, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

let me ask you folks, if Ukrainians were killing each other on Maidan, burned Ukrs alive with signs of torture and gun wounds in Odessa and if we go deeper during WW2 a lot of Ukrs were happy to kill another Ukrs if they were pro-soviet. Even Germans were amazed how brutal they were according to some German dairies of that time. Thousands were executed in Kiev (Babij Yar) where gunners were Ukrainians...do you at least have an option that Ukrs today could do the same to those who was pro-Russian?

So you are implying that the Ukrainian culture is to blame here? War crimes beget more war crimes. There are much less when there is no war to hide behind. I think you already know this and are messing with Wondermomma...

We can run the blame game back a few hundred years at least.

Rfneimad · #**684** ● 10-10-2022, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by mileslong ↗

what the fucking fuck?

*edit: apologize.. i'm trying to understand this lol.

is this a comparison?

Damnit Miles unban yourself and pull it together man. I was searching for Kupyansk+bodies+pit and that popped up. Good timing with Duntez asking about brutality in the region.

duntez · #**685** ● 10-10-2022, 11:14 AM

Originally Posted by Rfneimad ↗

So you are implying that the Ukrainian culture is to blame here? War crimes beget more war crimes. There are much less when there is no war to hide behind. I think you already know this and are messing with Wondermomma...

We can run the blame game back a few hundred years at least.

No, nothing to do with the culture. Rather is there even an option on a table that behind some atrocities could stand Ukrs, or there is only one option - all atrocities are done by Rus and Ukrs would never kill their own citizens.

Rfneimad · #**686** ● 10-10-2022, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

No, nothing to do with the culture. Rather is there even an option on a table that behind some atrocities could stand Ukrs, or there is only one option - all atrocities are done by Rus and Ukrs would never kill their own citizens.

To find that out we need the war to stop so normal life can begin. There are still murderers and criminals in the Ukraine civilian and military populations. That is normal for humans. Is the government killing it's own citizens for photo-ops? Again we are kinda going to need the war to stop to figure that out really. I would doubt it though, the risk that would pose to general morale is too high. And even to get a small unit of soldiers that went rouge and decided it was a good idea seems unlikely. Individual dill war crimes against pro-russians is highly likely though depending on circumstances. Especially as the war goes on. That would be those as yet unidentified criminals seizing moments of opportunities. The ukraine command structure would of course be getting better at stopping this as the war went on as well.

Faust · #**687** ● 10-10-2022, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Allowed? Why not lol

I meant you will never get a direct answer lol

**WonderMomma** · #**688** ● 10-10-2022, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Never herd this phrase here but we have a saying “silence means agreement(compliance?)”. Not sure which word would sound better here

At least you answered! Appreciate that!

what do you mean? I've already noveled you a million times in here.

I've been anything but silent. You know how I feel overall so I feel like it was asked and answered.

EDIT: I see no point in any further discussion or debate with you or Faust. You're not going to change your perspective and neither am I. "Let sleeping dogs lie"

**WonderMomma** · #**689** ● 10-10-2022, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I meant you will never get a direct answer lol

Here's a direct answer... Russia does not belong in Ukraine.

MF'ing asked and answered a million times.

**WonderMomma** · #**690** ● 10-10-2022, 01:24 PM

There was a post in the media thread with about 8 videos from the Kyiv shelling too that is now missing. I sent a pm to Kelly about it but if any other mod sees this who may know what happened to it, please let me know? Thank you.

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