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#1042
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10-31-2022, 11:50 PM
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 My Rank: STAFF SERGEANT Poster Rank:719 Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,140 Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Quoted: 572 Post(s)
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II
"To me Maidan is not justified." If a politician promises one thing and then does the complete opposite...you don't think he deserves to get kicked out? If all politicians were kept accountable like that, we would have much, much better world. "Killing their own from behind, from Hotel Ukraine" Do you have anything specific? Some proof? Something other than a blog post or something from Russian propaganda? Do you have something that you know is true? It doesn't really matter from what direction the bullets came from. Berkut could have been in plain clothes...everywhere. Im sure there were many undercover Berkut police officers dressed up as protesters...trying to collect intel and sabotage the protests. Also...of course, they were killing their own. The government was "their own". Berkut was their own. Also, it is very likely that Berkut and Police force itself destroyed most of the evidence and spread false information. They were the ones who shot at the people. They did everything to cover up the shootings( as you said, taking down trees, making weapons disappear etc ). They were protecting their own Berkut and police forces. Also, even if there were some far-right extremists that pushed the protest over the edge...it doesn't change anything really. The revolution remains the same....it just gets more ugly. If no one had shot anyone...then it would have ended the same way...with a new government. Just...no deaths. Look at the massive amounts of people who were protesting...and for how long. It wasn't some kind of "meh" protest. People were really pissed off about being lied to and seeing all the corruption. Just look how long the protests lasted. How many months did the people protest without any shots being fired...from either side. The general population had no weapons and the worst they did for a long time was just throwing rocks. Now, you can contrast this with the way Donbas region "protested". Almost immediately after the Maidan, an armed militia along with Russian soldiers was ready to seize government buildings in Donbas and kick out elected officials. The conflict in Donbas began with an actual armed coup...not a revolution. It wasn't "massive amounts of unarmed people" against a government...it was armed militias controlled by Russia straight from the beginning. They were helped by many of the Berkut forces that escaped as well. If Russia hadn't sent in its troops and supported the militias...nothing would have happened and people in Donbas would just keep living as they always had. "This Maidan was supposed to have good intentions, but the outcome was catastrophic." To this, I would say ... not really. Given the size and duration of the protests...it wasn't actually that bad. Or should I say...it could have ended far worse if the government hadn't run and kept on fighting. What made it a "catastrophe" was the Russian intervention that came after the revolution. The revolution itself wasn't that bad. The added bonus of the Maidan Revolution is that it put a little bit of fear into other dictators...like the cunt in Belarus. Fear of uprising and revolution is what has kept him out of Ukraine for so long. |
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#1043
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11-01-2022, 09:22 AM
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 ♚ Legacy Gold Member ♚ Poster Rank:71 Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 22,073 Mentioned: 76 Post(s) Quoted: 11576 Post(s)
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II
The only confirmed losses so far officially is 13 soldiers dead on snake island and 500 kids dead in the Mariupol theatre bombing so 513 dead on the Ukrainian side. Russia? Between 90.000-200.000 dead. Again, only official number confirmed by ‘the global community’, and its many… ‘journalists’
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#1045
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11-01-2022, 12:46 PM
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 ♚ Legacy Gold Member ♚ Poster Rank:207 Former US Soldier Join Date: Aug 2019 Posts: 7,262 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 3245 Post(s)
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II
He's just trolling. It's probably comparable to Russian ones. 50-70k military plus thousands of civilian deaths. Fortunately military casualties affect an attacking force's army worse than a defending one. |
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#1047
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11-01-2022, 01:01 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II
Unfortunately you mean? Zelensky doesn’t get payed if he does not retake Crimea and the Donbas regions
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#1048
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11-01-2022, 01:32 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread II
Go troll in the water cooler, Faust. Not biting.
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