[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

It’s a fucking joke. preemptive sanctions ahahha

No one knew at the time that was as easy as sabotaging laundromats and cancelling your best buy cards

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I watched him say that. Yes he didn’t specifically say nuclear, but that just how the brain process information when “preemptive strike” words are used together following by - so Russia couldn’t use its nukes. It’s a nobrainer. After realizing what BS he just said presidents office started to back him up, probably after a good solid father like spank from US/NATO.
And it’s a horse shit, preemptive strike not in anyway equals to preemptive sanctions


And What kind of preemptive sanctions could potentially destroy Russians nuclear triad?

So you should probably reevaluate your opinion to what I read

If he didnt say nuclear strike, then he didnt say nuclear strike. Its that simple.
Its sad to see so many fake news articles that are trying to get clicks by changing the title to
"Zelensky demans a nuclear strike agaisnt Russia"

It is absolutely clear that Zelensky isn't stupid(even if you claim that he is a boogey-man-nazi...he isn't a stupid boogey-man-nazi ).
Asking for a nuclear war is a clear PR suicide and it would achieve nothing since NATO isn't even willing to enforce a no-fly-zone, or deply any troops at all into Ukraine. Zelensky had to know in advance that the reply to "plz nuke russia" is gona be absolute no from the population and the western governments.

Im almost certain that the meaning of his words were:
"Do something now and don't wait until things get worse".

That has been their gripe with the west the whole time(rightfully so). If the west had given the aid Ukraine requested before the war started and enforced the sanctions sooner, then perhaps Putin wouldn't have even invaded.
The west should make it clear what the consequences of a nuclear strike are. Don't wait until the nuclear war starts and then start sanctioning or bombing Russia. You let the Russian dictator know in advance that if he starts the nuclear war then:
1) total cutoff of all trade between Russia and all other countries
Total naval blocade to enforce no-trade policy with russia.
Destruction of all bridges/railroads etc leading into/out of
Russia.
2) Strategic strikes against all known government structures where Putin(or his supporters) might hide.
3) Make it clear that nuclear war brings NATO into the conflict.
Yes, i know Russian bots keep screaming that most soldiers in Ukrainian army are NATO soldiers, but its not true. NATO should make it clear that it "will become true" if the nuclear war starts.

In general, the world( not just nato ) should make it clear that using nukes is a no-win scenario that will guarantee the loss of the war.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

He didn't say he wanted nuclear war. Zelensky is no angel but it's clear he doesn't want that. To actually say that or even imply it is indeed a PR nightmare as skorpion9 said... especially among his international supporters. That would hurt him and Ukraine far more than any advantage it would afford... how is that not obvious? Putin can make nuclear threats all day and it won't change their existing opinions of him, on the plus side it's an indication he's growing more desperate because he's losing the war and is now fearing his grip on power.

The amount of mental gymnastics and skewing of words can't change that. I gotta admit I kind of admire that two certain people in this forum still bother to exist and even have the gall to spout their laughable opinions supporting an established imperialist lunatic, eating up the laziest of Kremlin propaganda while saying "I'm against the war". Shame on you.

[Rfneimad]

Even Duntez cat doesn't agree with him

[duntez]

I don’t get, is there a language differences the way it sounds in Ukrainian and English? Preemptive strike can only mean one thing, period. W/e he had on his mind he said the wrong words and giving the circumstances if it was a North Korea he addressed that to they would probably preemptive striked UA right after he said that

He’s under crazy pressure, probably lack of sleep and all, he could choose the wrong words unintentionally, but then say so and don’t play this damn preemptive sanctions strike. Like it’s going to change the ability of Russia to launch their nuclear arsenal. And instead of saying what I just said, westies trying to play dumb by calling Russia stupid because they interpreted his words wrong

I’m almost certain right after he said that he got a call from some NATO officials whip explained him to avoid this type of saying in the future

[WhiskeyOutpost]

When he says preemptive strike, I don't think he doesn't mean nuclear. Yes, he could have been more clear, as WonderMomma said.

I think he's trying to send a message to Russians. Unfortunately the message was expressed too vaguely which world leaders in general seem to have a habit of doing.

[ride]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

When he says preemptive strike, I don't think he doesn't mean nuclear. Yes, he could have been more clear, as WonderMomma said.

I think he's trying to send a message to Russians. Unfortunately the message was expressed too vaguely which world leaders in general seem to have a habit of doing.

It’s like they have a school or correspondence course they take to learn vagueness of speech and double talk. It’s a sign of a proper politician.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

When he says preemptive strike, I don't think he doesn't mean nuclear. Yes, he could have been more clear, as WonderMomma said.

I think he's trying to send a message to Russians. Unfortunately the message was expressed too vaguely which world leaders in general seem to have a habit of doing.

I agree with this statement. Rather then pointing finger at another side with the words " no you dumb"

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I agree with this statement. Rather then pointing finger at another side with the words " no you dumb"

Just going with the full extreme interpretation of "Zelensky threatens to strike Russia with nukes" is not a reasonable take of what he said. I think that is dumb. He was too vague, but that interpretation is definitely a stretch.

Just like recently when western media said Putin threatens with nukes again, but then when you see what Putin said, it was something like "We will use all means necessary to defend Russian territory". Same thing. But given Putin has in recent past actually made nuclear threats, it's more believable he may have been implying a nuclear option was on the table. We can't say that with Zelensky.

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I don’t get, is there a language differences the way it sounds in Ukrainian and English? Preemptive strike can only mean one thing, period. W/e he had on his mind he said the wrong words and giving the circumstances if it was a North Korea he addressed that to they would probably preemptive striked UA right after he said that

He’s under crazy pressure, probably lack of sleep and all, he could choose the wrong words unintentionally, but then say so and don’t play this damn preemptive sanctions strike. Like it’s going to change the ability of Russia to launch their nuclear arsenal. And instead of saying what I just said, westies trying to play dumb by calling Russia stupid because they interpreted his words wrong

I’m almost certain right after he said that he got a call from some NATO officials whip explained him to avoid this type of saying in the future

He's a comedian too, the worse shit they have to stop him from saying is probably hilarious but drunk russians would misunderstand. There has never been a preemptive nuclear strike so that's why it's not actually what is being referred to.

And no, nuking Japan was not preemptive. Pearl Harbor was. Although they kinda let that happen a wee bit maybe.