[kellyhound]

.about the Israel conflict.

[kellyhound]

Pro-Russian Telegram channels are already filled with brainwashing teenagers projects in occupied Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts and similar russification programs will be stepped up in 2024, when 45.85 billion rubles (around $470 million) have been earmarked for the “Patriotic Education of Citizens of the Russian Federation.”

The increased funding comes after Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Education and Science, the Ministry of Education, and the Federal Agency for Youth Affairs to take additional steps to increase work with young people in the “new regions,” a euphemism for the occupied territories.

A presidential decree issued in July ordered the intensification of “work with the youth of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Luhansk People’s Republic, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions on issues of harmonizing interethnic relations and strengthening the all-Russian civic identity.” It also called for “information work in the student and school environment regarding the explanation of the reasons and objectives of the special military operation.”

Occupied Zaporizhzhia now has its first “mobile cultural centers,” trucks with generators, speakers, a stage, modern screens, and WiFi that can move from town to town in the style of the agit-trains that carried film projectors and propaganda around the Soviet Union.

“The house of culture on wheels has all the necessary equipment, a stage, and you can bring it to people in the most remote region,” Aleksei Lysov, one of the collaborators involved in the project, said in a video posted on a pro-Russian Telegram channel. “It can be installed in just one hour. You can show a film, you can have a theater performance.” By the end of 2023, the Zaporizhzhia region will have seven mobile clubs to take out to rural areas.

The widespread opening of youth clubs – on wheels or in communities – is not just about propaganda for the Russian forces, but also a method for recruiting young people into the Russian world.

The significance of the mission for the Kremlin was underlined when Sergey Kiriyenko, First Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration, visited a new training center for youth workers in Zaporizhzhia.

“They will work with leaders of public organizations and create youth projects that will help folks implement their ideas,” the pro-Russian Zaporizhzhia Herald Telegram channel said in a post about the new center. “Special attention is paid to the cultural and social integration of young people into the big family – Russia – in the new regions.”

The Russian occupiers are also using festivals for “exchange experiences” between young people from Russia and Ukraine’s occupied territories. The titles of programs at the “Russia is Us” patriotic forum, held in Crimea, left little doubt about the event’s intent. “Love for the Motherland – big and small”, “We are Russians”, and “Russia is a land of opportunities”, were just three of those on offer.

That's how they roll.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Pro-Russian Telegram channels are already filled with brainwashing teenagers projects in occupied Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts and similar russification programs will be stepped up in 2024, when 45.85 billion rubles (around $470 million) have been earmarked for the “Patriotic Education of Citizens of the Russian Federation.”

The increased funding comes after Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Ministry of Education and Science, the Ministry of Education, and the Federal Agency for Youth Affairs to take additional steps to increase work with young people in the “new regions,” a euphemism for the occupied territories.

A presidential decree issued in July ordered the intensification of “work with the youth of the Donetsk People’s Republic, Luhansk People’s Republic, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson regions on issues of harmonizing interethnic relations and strengthening the all-Russian civic identity.” It also called for “information work in the student and school environment regarding the explanation of the reasons and objectives of the special military operation.”

Occupied Zaporizhzhia now has its first “mobile cultural centers,” trucks with generators, speakers, a stage, modern screens, and WiFi that can move from town to town in the style of the agit-trains that carried film projectors and propaganda around the Soviet Union.

“The house of culture on wheels has all the necessary equipment, a stage, and you can bring it to people in the most remote region,” Aleksei Lysov, one of the collaborators involved in the project, said in a video posted on a pro-Russian Telegram channel. “It can be installed in just one hour. You can show a film, you can have a theater performance.” By the end of 2023, the Zaporizhzhia region will have seven mobile clubs to take out to rural areas.

The widespread opening of youth clubs – on wheels or in communities – is not just about propaganda for the Russian forces, but also a method for recruiting young people into the Russian world.

The significance of the mission for the Kremlin was underlined when Sergey Kiriyenko, First Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration, visited a new training center for youth workers in Zaporizhzhia.

“They will work with leaders of public organizations and create youth projects that will help folks implement their ideas,” the pro-Russian Zaporizhzhia Herald Telegram channel said in a post about the new center. “Special attention is paid to the cultural and social integration of young people into the big family – Russia – in the new regions.”

The Russian occupiers are also using festivals for “exchange experiences” between young people from Russia and Ukraine’s occupied territories. The titles of programs at the “Russia is Us” patriotic forum, held in Crimea, left little doubt about the event’s intent. “Love for the Motherland – big and small”, “We are Russians”, and “Russia is a land of opportunities”, were just three of those on offer.

That's how they roll.

And what are they doing wrong? Any country who got new lands with people need to make sure they got rid of hatred I guess. Especially when they think they are Russians ( eastern Ukrainians) . I think it’s a common sense. Make sure next generation would be patriotic and so on. It would be stupid on their half not to do such things. Because then there would be no point like at all to invade.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

And what are they doing wrong? Any country who got new lands with people need to make sure they got rid of hatred I guess. Especially when they think they are Russians ( eastern Ukrainians) . I think it’s a common sense. Make sure next generation would be patriotic and so on. It would be stupid on their half not to do such things. Because then there would be no point like at all to invade.

What are they doing wrong?

How about the invasion and propaganda?


Yes, you can get the people in the occupied territory to believe propaganda to the point where they start praising the führer and think they are living a golden life. It doesnt mean that its true.

There are people in North Korea who genuinely believe in their führer and think that they are living in the best country in the world and would fight to defend the dick'fucking'tator. We as bystanders can see that shitfuckery from the outside and know that they are being screwed over. Those who live inside the propaganda don't.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

What are they doing wrong?

How about the invasion and propaganda?


Yes, you can get the people in the occupied territory to believe propaganda to the point where they start praising the führer and think they are living a golden life. It doesnt mean that its true.

There are people in North Korea who genuinely believe in their führer and think that they are living in the best country in the world and would fight to defend the dick'fucking'tator. We as bystanders can see that shitfuckery from the outside and know that they are being screwed over. Those who live inside the propaganda don't.

Ok

[Roosta]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink !

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Ok

Im just curiours.

What would you think if Germany won the second world war and conquered russians.
What if they then implemented a complete propaganda campaign lasting generations, after which occupied Russians thought they were subjects of Germany and that the occupation was in their best interests?
Do you think those russians would really be free and that germans really had their interests in mind? Would it be wrong for Russians to want independence? What if Russians didn't want to learn German and wanted Russian to be their first language? Would it be justified?

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Im just curiours.

What would you think if Germany won the second world war and conquered russians.
What if they then implemented a complete propaganda campaign lasting generations, after which occupied Russians thought they were subjects of Germany and that the occupation was in their best interests?
Do you think those russians would really be free and that germans really had their interests in mind? Would it be wrong for Russians to want independence? What if Russians didn't want to learn German and wanted Russian to be their first language? Would it be justified?

I would say the same thing. If Germans wanted to keep those lands, they would have to do the same thing what Russians are doing. They would push the agenda that they are Germans or that they are a part of great Germany and by doing that they would ensure they will have much less problems with the next generations of Russians. So it doesn’t matter what examples you give me, answer will be the same. If we are talking from Russian prospective, it’s clear that they are doing the right thing. Unless you think they need to push Ukrainian agenda, than by all means, you won.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I would say the same thing. If Germans wanted to keep those lands, they would have to do the same thing what Russians are doing. They would push the agenda that they are Germans or that they are a part of great Germany and by doing that they would ensure they will have much less problems with the next generations of Russians. So it doesn’t matter what examples you give me, answer will be the same. If we are talking from Russian prospective, it’s clear that they are doing the right thing. Unless you think they need to push Ukrainian agenda, than by all means, you won.

I guess you kind of missed my point, but thats ok...there are two ways to look at this.

I didnt mean what is "right" for the ruler. Building gulags and slave labor camps is the "right" thing to do if you are a dictator and want to stay in power. North Korea is doing the "right" thing by not letting anyone leave their country freely. They are doing the right thing by indoctrinating children into the Kim Cult. My point was ... is it the moral thing to do. Is it justified when viewed from the outside, when viewed from the point of view of those who are being subjugated, not from the point of view of the ruler.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I guess you kind of missed my point, but thats ok...there are two ways to look at this.

I didnt mean what is "right" for the ruler. Buildings gulags and slave labor camps is the "right" thing to do if you are a dictator and want to stay in power. North Korea is doing the "right" thing by not letting anyone leave their country freely. They are doing the right thing by indoctrinating children into the Kim Cult. My point was ... is it the moral thing to do. Is it justified when viewed from the outside, when viewed from the point of view of those who are being subjugated, not from the point of view of the ruler.

If you are a Ukrainian ( or anyone) and you don’t like what Russias are doing, then ofcause, why would it be ok for you? Doesn’t matter what are they doing, it will be always wrong, because they invaded and you would be pissed. Now if you were neutral or waited for them to come, obviously you will be ok with all their attempts to normalize life the way the see it. ( not talking about gulags tho)

But my initial reply to Kellys post was about his information about Russian activity on those territories where he said in the end “that’s how they roll”, and i asked him how? Like, what are they doing wrong. Clearly wasn’t talking about the invasion or UA point of view ( that you brought up in your question and that’s why I ok’d you, because you lost my point and tried to take me to a different path, which I never intended to take if that makes sense to you.) but about their actions ( in Kelly’s post) as Russians. Now if Kelly’s post had information about building gulags or concentration camps and so on, I would say they are fucking crazy.