[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Yes, yes I do. Because it's morally right thing to do, to point out lies and propaganda. You didn't just say that "oh, the SU wasn't that bad" or "Some older people liked the SU".
No, you made a factual claim



And I pointed out that you were wrong. The SU was founded by Russia occupying its neighbors. Including Ukraine. Why were there years of war and conflict in Ukraine when Russian armies entered Ukraine?
Why was Russian army present whenever someone "joined" the SU ?
Why did everyone leave the SU the first chance they got?

Also, the fact that "some people liked The SU" doesn't mean shit.
There are probably millions of simpletons in North Korea, who are starving and still worship their leader and would not want to live anywhere else. The amount of daily propaganda fed to the SU generation was immense. They never had a chance to experience a childhood outside the SU.

Also, you forget an important fact

A Russian descendant wouldn't see SU as an occupation. Why should they? Do you think the Russians living in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania see the SU as an occupation? No. Why? Because they were the ones who were occupying another country. They didn't lose anything by occupying someone else's country. So, why would they see it as an occupation?

What you are doing here is that you are helping Putin and his nazi army rewrite history. Just go and read about the history of the SU, its leaders and so on. It was never a union. If you understand history, then you understand the conflicts Russia is part of. Why Ukraine fought along side of the germans in the second world war. Why the baltics fought on the german side...and so on. The "Bandero"vites didn't fight alongside germans so that they could join germany. They fought along side germans so they could get rid of the occupants. The same happened in the baltics.
If you understand the history, then this whole conflict makes sense.

Dude, What doesn’t mean shit is your opinion on how big amount of Ukrainians are thinking about their life experience with SU. Seriously, like a crybaby.
Factual claim? I didn’t know I still need to get down to kindergarten level here and let people know that UA was always devided and that there were people who liked it and who didn’t. OFC old people who fucking else? I was 5 when SU went down the history. I simply know that there are UAs who never thought they were occupied in anyway, NEVER. Deal with it. They appreciate SU not for Holodomor or anything else, but for what it gave them and not took away. You look at the bad side only and therefor you have a bad vision sight. It’s like fucking judging Christianity by inquisition and executions. Church killed millions probably and still people go there and respect it. Obviously not for all the killings it did over the thousands of years. I don’t speak for your damn Estonia or any other country. I speak for UA. When I’ll say SU did so much good shit for Estonia, ur welcome to jump in
Historically right bank of Dnepro river UA under Poland and austrohungery influence, east/south Russian. People were always devided. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Your google/wiki knowledge about this matter equals zero. You need to live it to understand.
You need to read books about that time. You need to talk to people of UA. Funny that you r screaming about propaganda. When all I see here is you spitting western propaganda. Don’t try to stretch an owl on a damn globe.

I’m not Russian descendant. I’m Ukrainian/Korean.

Bandera is not my hero. He can die in a grave one more time. Traitor and killer of innocent. His people were the cruelest even according to German diaries. Polaks knows it, Jewish knows it… fuck many countries knows it. Baltics yeah.. SS batallions goes along with UA Bandera history line. I can see why you like it. Glorify who you want. I don’t care, just don’t tell who’s right or wrong on this matter. You will not change my opinion.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I would like to know if Biden sees these videos.

"Speaking of the ruble getting weaker: Putin's battalions suggest implementing a new global currency and global stock exchange in Russian Krasnodar.

(Jokes aside - the Russian government worked hard to have people believe propaganda slogans rather than basics of economy. That is the result)"

100% Demented !

[Roosta]

[QUOTE=duntez;7986178]Don’t you realize how funny or stupid sometimes it looks that you are trying to prove me that I was some sorta slave or something? Me, who lived there? Ridiculous.
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You support a dictatorship because you like oppression, it's what your used to, it's what gives you direction in life & your need for it is endless, funny thing is, is that you can't see that !

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Yes, yes I do. Because it's morally right thing to do, to point out lies and propaganda. You didn't just say that "oh, the SU wasn't that bad" or "Some older people liked the SU".
No, you made a factual claim



And I pointed out that you were wrong. The SU was founded by Russia occupying its neighbors. Including Ukraine. Why were there years of war and conflict in Ukraine when Russian armies entered Ukraine?
Why was Russian army present whenever someone "joined" the SU ?
Why did everyone leave the SU the first chance they got?

Also, the fact that "some people liked The SU" doesn't mean shit.
There are probably millions of simpletons in North Korea, who are starving and still worship their leader and would not want to live anywhere else. The amount of daily propaganda fed to the SU generation was immense. They never had a chance to experience a childhood outside the SU.

Also, you forget an important fact

A Russian descendant wouldn't see SU as an occupation. Why should they? Do you think the Russians living in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania see the SU as an occupation? No. Why? Because they were the ones who were occupying another country. They didn't lose anything by occupying someone else's country. So, why would they see it as an occupation?

What you are doing here is that you are helping Putin and his nazi army rewrite history. Just go and read about the history of the SU, its leaders and so on. It was never a union. If you understand history, then you understand the conflicts Russia is part of. Why Ukraine fought along side of the germans in the second world war. Why the baltics fought on the german side...and so on. The "Bandero"vites didn't fight alongside germans so that they could join germany. They fought along side germans so they could get rid of the occupants. The same happened in the baltics.
If you understand the history, then this whole conflict makes sense.

He can't see the writing on the wall.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I don’t care, just don’t tell who’s right or wrong on this matter. You will not change my opinion.

I do tell that you are wrong on this matter. Why shouldn't I?

And sadly, I know that you won't change your opinion. Living in an alternative reality does that to people.

The reality is...and its un-fucking-deniable, that whenever anyone joined the SU, it involved Russian military and violent coercion. SU was not a Union. You can say all day long, that there are some old people who didn't complain about the occupation that much. Sure.
Millions of French didn't complain about Hitler's occupation either, during the German occupation.
They just went along with the occupation and learned to live with it.
But, at no point did it mean that France belongs to Germany.
You are clinging to some strange delusion that SU was good because some people found some aspects of the occupation good.
Some people just learned to live under the occupation. Thats it.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I do tell that you are wrong on this matter. Why shouldn't I?

And sadly, I know that you won't change your opinion. Living in an alternative reality does that to people.

The reality is...and its un-fucking-deniable, that whenever anyone joined the SU, it involved Russian military and violent coercion. SU was not a Union. You can say all day long, that there are some old people who didn't complain about the occupation that much. Sure.
Millions of French didn't complain about Hitler's occupation either, during the German occupation.
They just went along with the occupation and learned to live with it.
But, at no point did it mean that France belongs to Germany.
You are clinging to some strange delusion that SU was good because some people found some aspects of the occupation good.
Some people just learned to live under the occupation. Thats it.

Point is- they never thought they were occupied. Unlike French people during WW2. Big difference.
I suggest we stop arguing because it’s pointless and time consuming with no results what so ever

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I suggest we stop arguing because it’s pointless and time consuming with no results what so ever

More like your starting to understand what's being said by Scorpion.

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I suggest we stop arguing because it’s pointless and time consuming with no results what so ever

He's got a point there, I haven't seen anybody change their beliefs since the invasion started

[Faust]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/07/u...s-ukraine.html

“Pentagon officials have said the shells they will send to Ukraine are an improved version of a type used in 1991’s Operation Desert Storm. But the reality is slightly more complicated. The shells being sent to Kyiv can fly farther than the earlier versions, but they contain the same grenades, which had dud rates the Pentagon has characterized as unacceptably high.

Al Vosburgh, a retired Army colonel trained in bomb disposal, said that once the shooting stops in Ukraine, it will take a massive educational campaign to warn civilians of the risks of unexploded grenades before they can safely return home.”

Based on what the New York Times is allowed to write, I don’t believe the US endgame for Ukraine is people returning to their lands

[Faust]

This was pretty funny as well: