[Faust]

So they didn’t surrender but instead were… what exactly? Taking the Russian bus back to their base? Now why would they do that. You are going to say to save fuel and because the Russians are stupid enough to give them a free ride..

All soldiers in Mariupol are laying down their arms btw, right now

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

So they didn’t surrender but instead were… what exactly? Taking the Russian bus back to their base? Now why would they do that. You are going to say to save fuel and because the Russians are stupid enough to give them a free ride..

All soldiers in Mariupol are laying down their arms btw, right now

It would appear the Azov and SBU guys at Azovstal couldn't continue fighting because of the amount of dead and wounded. Surrendering implies they gave themselves up to the enemy and are taken captive, taken out of the war. The vast majority of the guys are back in Ukraine so that's not what happened here. As for the few buses that arrived in the DNR, that's a different case.

One of the buses had a Z on it but most did not. The guy I talk to was moved to Dnipro a few days ago and now he's in Kyiv. He was in Mariupol for a long time.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by William May ↗

Newsweek is reporting that Russian commanders are shooting their wounded Russian troops, rather than evacuating them or taking care of them.

That is not true like, at all.

They are not shooting the wounded, they are doing some satanic rituals and eating them alive. In ancient Russian mythology this gives you superpowers. It is not Azov who believes in hitler, it is hitler who believes in Putin! They want to create the true soviet super humans to lead the human race and they do this by eating their soldiers alive after satanic rituals.

You shouldn’t believe what you read on Newsweek, I am telling you the truth, check WikiLeaks

[Faust]

(The Newsweek story would be all over the news if only half of it were true)

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Putting my reply to duntez's video
post about Azov "surrendering" in the discussion thread here.

Those 4 videos. That's a remarkable amount of un-handcuffed Ukranian Azov and SBU hands going on non-military buses. It's almost as if it's a corridor like both sides have said, and Russians are just making sure they don't have weapons.

Most of these evac buses have already been delivered to Ukrainian territory. This is ~300 guys, Azov and SBU.

Two buses apparently went to the DNR and Russian sources are saying those guys were captured. There is reportedly a deal to bring them back which is causing additional tension between Azov and Zelensky. A lot of these "captured" guys are Azov volunteers from Finland and Norway.

The general opinion within Azov is that Zelensky is trying to kill them. They do not trust him and he's afraid of them. Zelensky claimed "everything" is being done to save the "defenders of Mariupol" but that was clearly false.

Zelensky did not order Azov to fight and die in Mariupol but seeing as he was doing nothing for them, the Ukranian military talked with the commander of Azov (Prokopenko) to arrange an evac.

One particular pro-Russian Telegram (Armiya 18+) is stating that all of the buses went to DNR and they are all being "interrogated". This is definitely false and nothing but propaganda.

- Russia is going to unconditionally ban the exchange of the Azov military regiment

This was stated by Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin. He instructed the Defence Committee to prepare an appropriate protocol instruction.

- Deputy Permanent Representative of Russia to the United Nations Dmitry Polyansky said that the Azovites surrendered without any conditions

The Russian diplomat commented on the publication of the New York Times newspaper, which claims that "Ukraine completed the "combat mission" in Mariupol", and the military "was evacuated, which marked the end of the battles" at Azovstal. "I didn't know that there were so many ways to convey a simple message in English: the Nazis [from the unit] of "Azov" surrendered without conditions," Polyansky said in English.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

(The Newsweek story would be all over the news if only half of it were true)

I can’t believe someone would actually trust this information. This world is doomed.

[spycosis]

Originally Posted by textex ↗

NATO operations in Poland or others countries next to Russia is no more threat to Russia than them having nukes in Kaliningrad, or on submarines that could be offhore NY now.

Calling Zelensky a terrorist is just bullshit, and it was a country that won Eurovision just so you know.

Regarding nukes I doubt it. Putin and his friends have stolen too much money from the Russian people to not get to use it. Even if he has cancer and will die, he probably cares about his children and so on.

Even if he has nukes we cannot appease him as we did with his German clone.

Okay maybe Zelensky is not a terrorist in the classical sense of the word, and I will admit I have done very little research on him, but what I know is this -
At the beginning of the Russian invasion, Zelensky announced that he was calling upon all Ukranian civillians to start armed resistance against the Russians. He asked his people to arm themselves with Molotov cocktails, so that they could attack Russian soldiers. He delivered approximately 50,000 assault rifles to the civillian population, in order to create an insurgency, and he instructed his people to ignore all the illegal curfews imposed by Russia.
By announcing this in public, he actually made every civillian in his country a target, especially males between 16 and 65 years old.
He could have easily created an insurgency without making this obvious to the world media.
I could not believe it when he made his 'call to arms' address to his nation, at first I though it was incredibly fucking stupid, but then I realized he is an intelligent man and knows exactly what he is doing.
My opinion is that he deliberately wanted a swathe of civilian deaths in his country because he knew that would immediately bring the support of liberal politicians, and of course the libtards aswell, of which I know many. And eventually the middle of the road politicians would be seduced aswell.
I also believe this a battle of egos between two men, Zelensky and Putin, and I feel Zelensky decide to sacrifice a portion of his men women and children to win this testosterone-fuelled battle.
And for that I think he is a cunt and a terrorist.
Oh and btw that country that won Eurovision was not a country, but a band of musicians, the lead singer of which left immediately to join the frontline Ukranian paramilitaries, after their cute propaganda stunt on TV.

[Faust]

I think Ukraine wants to get rid of Azov in the same way that Iraq wanted to get rid of what would become Isis. They served there purpose but they are still extremists that would love to take power

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Duntez you posted something wrong, it happens. Don't worry about it. With the amount of stuff that is posted on here it's bound to happen no matter what side you're on.

The Russian rep to UN said they were evacuated then immediately after that said they "surrendered". Azov and SBU gave up because of the hopeless conditions and were able to go back to Ukraine. Minus some guys that went to DNR. In a military context, surrender means you stop fighting and the enemy takes you captive. Again, that's not what happened here.

Trying to jam a square peg in a round hole is pretty tiring I imagine. They gave up and were able to go back home after weeks of heavy fighting and casualties.

[spycosis]

[QUOTE=WhiskeyOutpost;7484892]Putting my reply to duntez's video
post about Azov "surrendering" in the discussion thread here.

Those 4 videos. That's a remarkable amount of un-handcuffed Ukranian Azov and SBU hands going on non-military buses. It's almost as if it's a corridor like both sides have said, and Russians are just making sure they don't have weapons.

I love this deep information that surfaces on this website. This will take me some time to digest and investigate, but in any event thanks for the pointer, I'm gonna see what I can find on Skynet. If the T2200's don't get to me first.