[Rico476]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/...g-out-of-ammo/

Wow a completely worthless badly written article from a nothing website I've never heard of that barely mentions anything about artillery ammunition. Like I said, no reputable source ever made the claims you are going on about it and it was never remotely close to anywhere near mainstream opinion.

And all a moot point because no one was counting on Russia running out of ammo being the key to Ukranian victory. Stop deluding yourself and comeback to the reality that the Khakiv front has essentially collapsed for Russia and their time in Kherson has a timer on it.

If you had told me Ukraine would withstand the initial Russian blitz on Feb 24th I would have had a hard time believing you. If you told me the scale of the Russian losses I would later see in video and photo evidence I would have thought it impossible.

If you had told me a week later the Russians would have to withdraw from the Kyiv offensive and all of Northern Ukraine within 3 weeks I would have thought it highly unlikely.

Later in mid april if you told me the Russian would advance little more than taking Sevierodonestk/Lyschanks and advancing a few dozen kms in a few places by mid-august I would have thought it impossible.

Around the sametime if you told me the Ukranians would essentially bring all river crossing to Kherson underfire control and destroy all the bridges I would have wondering how that could be possible.

Just a week ago if you told me the Ukranians would be on the outskirts of Kupyansk within 6 days I would have assumed the person was huffing glue. And potentially in the process of logistically cutting off near 20,000 Russian troops in the Izyum area.

I think I'm done waiting for the Russian army to prove it isn't little more than a bunch of amateurs who belong at a WWII reenactment convention more than they do in a real war.

This is a war winning victory for Ukraine. It is evident from the (lack of) Russian response their reserves are a very few and lacking. Many of the reserves that did arrive did so piecemeal and were out maneuvered and defeated. At this point the Russians are now struggling to get across the Oski river. Many Russians units were surrounded captured or destroyed and the frontline has ballooned.

The knock on effects of this are huge. Russia's already stretched reserves will be non existent now, units that were meant to reinforce other front will now be rerouted, and units pulled from other fronts to make up for the losses and plug the new bigger holes in the frontline in Kharkiv that have formed.

A follow on counter attack in the South towards Tokmak/Berdyansk or over the river towards Lyman to capitalize on the lack of Russian reserves and stretching thin of their forces is likely on the cards.

You should have never invaded Ukriane. You should burn and hang the incompetent who lead you to your doom. And after this is over we will continue giving Ukraine weapons such that you piss yourself in fear of even the slightest thought of ever setting foot on Ukranian soil ever again. Russian fascism is dead for good now.

[Faust]

What is funny is your assumption about me being a russian lol.

“My family lives in Europa and they pay only 2000 a year for electricity + gas + internet”

So that would be less than 170 euro a month for all those things? I want to live in that country for real.

Meanwhile:
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...es-2022-09-09/

[Faust]

What is funny is your assumption about me being a russian lol.

“My family lives in Europa and they pay only 2000 a year for electricity + gas + internet”

So that would be less than 170 euro a month for all those things? I want to live in that country for real.

Meanwhile:
https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...es-2022-09-09/

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Rico476 ↗

Wow a completely worthless badly written article from a nothing website I've never heard of that barely mentions anything about artillery ammunition. Like I said, no reputable source ever made the claims you are going on about it and it was never remotely close to anywhere near mainstream opinion.

And all a moot point because no one was counting on Russia running out of ammo being the key to Ukranian victory. Stop deluding yourself and comeback to the reality that the Khakiv front has essentially collapsed for Russia and their time in Kherson has a timer on it.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-arm...ts-say-1688025

This was 3 weeks into the conflict

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ains-advantage

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...raine-military

So.. you are really saying this could take years?
Because if they have to buy from Korea then it means they are running out. Or maybe that was also just something the news told you

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Obviously Rico didn't mean Russia would just take on the whole of Europe in one invasion you tool. Why are you so bad at listening? Is it a language barrier because you're born in Poland? Could it be, you're not bright and not-bright people have a tendency to severely dumb down opposing arguments to make it easy to attack? I think this is the case. You have a chronic habit of this, almost anything that crawls out of your mouth includes this. Delusional, incorrect summaries of what you think the other side is saying and doing. And then you include a link to something which probably no one will read because your credentials here are well known.

Like Rico said, Russia would try to pluck up nations they regard as weak, piece by piece. They've done this in recent history. Divide and conquer, create divisions within your enemies, use misinformation for your goals. Which is literally stated by Alexandr Dugin, the pariah of "neo-Eurasianism", who seeks to restore Russia's status through annexation and misinformation. In his books, and no one can deny that he's had the Kremlin's ear for many years.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

/Double

[Rico476]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-arm...ts-say-1688025

This was 3 weeks into the conflict

To a certain extent they were not wrong. Within 2 weeks of that Russia withdrew from northern Ukraine and almost half the territory they had invaded at that point. It was reasonable to think that in the face of such a failure Russia would likely end the war rather than double down on its own destructive failure in a war it was ill prepared to fight.

To a certain extent its Russia's own incompetence and idiocy that is to blame for the war still going on even though it is clear they have lost.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ains-advantage


https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...raine-military

So.. you are really saying this could take years?

People always said it could. The original plan was a LONG TERM insurgency against Russia since it was never thought Ukraine would be able to defeat the invasion outright. The fact anyone ever thought it could end in less than *years* is a product of Ukriane's extreme over performance and Russia's unbelievably decrepit performance. And honestly as it stands right now I think the Russian military has a year from today at best left in Ukraine outside the pre Feb 24th borders.

Also, why does how long it last really matter? The weapons to Ukraine are not going to stop after your Nazi invasion no matter what now. You will never be allowed to even dream of a 2nd invasion. We also don't plan on going back to Russian gas ever. I know Russia can't believe it; but we actually don't fucking need you at all. Oh no energy prices went up 200% when utilities AS A WHOLE were only 6% of the 30k euro income consumers budget. It's pennies compared to what is at stake and the value of defeating Russian fascism forever.

The Russian military is only what it is thanks to its soviet legacy; that legacy is being destroyed in Ukraine and Russia will never be able to rebuild a military of the same scale. The value of all of this is literally priceless to humanity.

Because if they have to buy from Korea then it means they are running out.

Certainly sounds very desperate. Have you seen the quality of the junk N Korea produces?

[WhiskeyOutpost]

I too was shocked out the outcome of this. When I was driving to work that day in February and heard that Russia had actually done it, invaded Ukraine with some serious hardware, my first thought was Ukraine was absolutely done. When that huge convoy of Russian vehicles was stalled on the highway north of Kyiv, I was like wow looks like they're having problems. When their guards air assault unit got ass raped at Hostomel I was like what the fuck is going on with them. I watched drones drop mortars onto open top Ural trucks with sleeping Russians in them. When they just up and retreated from Kyiv, I couldn't believe it. I was pleasantly surprised when reality set in. It's all been downhill for them since.

Look at what happened to them after they threw thousands into the grinder taking Severodonyetsk/Lysychansk. Done. They can't attack effectively anymore. And this is the Russian Army? These sham untrained units who impale themselves on strategically unimportant things, non-conscript volunteer soldiers who have zero discipline, who commit countless war crimes? Colonel and General-level officers killed on the frontline because they lost all semblance of order and were forced there by their superiors? Dude, they're done. How on planet earth is this not crystal clear to you.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

/Double

[Rfneimad]

I'm talking out of my ass here without fact checking but the Russian army always gets it's ass kicked hard first and then maybe gets it's shit together in time for when the other side fucks up.