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If you guys are interested this is an excellent channel I only recently discovered. On current worldwide war stuff, weapons nomenclature, etc.

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I run a live cam stream re: Ukraine and write news articles for our website... and it's one of the stories I came across in my daily scouring of news. I've posted a few links below.

Keep in mind, I always go in to any news from any source with a skeptical mind. I have not yet begun the process of vetting/verifying any of these links (which is a huge part of my process of writing articles) so please bear that in mind. I am not a fan of the media overall, regardless of whatever side their views/bias's fall on.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/18/russ...-children.html

https://tass.com/society/1493923

https://www.fox6now.com/news/putin-m...ve-10-children

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...en/ar-AA10NYCg

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/moth...ildren-3269152

Thanks again!
So I went to check it and seems like this is legit. What they are trying to do here with this is to recognize a woman as super/hero mom. Like I have stated previously, moms get decent support from the government regardless how many kids they have. In case with 10 children government gives away some sort of recognition present. Keep in mind that with average Russian salary we r talking about 2years wages here, like if you would get a $100K here in US. Also, It’s not enough to just brainlessly make 10 kids, they are suppose to be well educated ( up to their age), living in a good environment and so on. With all this info I don’t think anything wrong with it. Make those good wife’s/mothers happy and give them a well deserved treat
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The Russian partisan group "National Republican Army" has reportedly claimed responsibility for the car-bombing killing Darya Dugin, the daughter of renowned Russian propagandist Aleksandr Dugin.

This is contrary to Russian reports that they had already solved the crime and attributed this assassination to a Ukranian female who at some point was reportedly present at Azovstal, who escaped to Estonia immediately after the attack in Russia.

The government of Ukraine has denied any responsibility. As well as Azov, specifically on at least one of their pages:

https://t.me/polkazov

Below attached media on DW News YouTube channel and I saw some "Svoboda Rossii" (Russian Freedom/Freedom of Russia) video footage I also posted a few months ago here on DR. The white and blue tricolor flag with a fist. My understanding of this group was they were defected former Russian soldiers who were now fighting against Russia, for Ukraine and they had made some posts in the past few months hinting at internal Russian sabotage.

From telegram group "Rospartizan", manifesto:

STATEMENT OF THE NATIONAL REPUBLICAN ARMY (NRA) DATED 08/21/2022

We, Russian activists, military and politicians, now partisans and fighters of the National Republican Army, outlaw the warmongers, robbers and oppressors of the peoples of Russia!

We declare President Putin a usurper of power and a war criminal who amended the Constitution, unleashed a fratricidal war between the Slavic peoples and sent Russian soldiers to certain and senseless death. *

Poverty and coffins for some, palaces for others – the essence of his policy. *

We believe that people deprived of the right to vote have the right to revolt against tyrants.

Putin will be deposed and destroyed by us!

Our goal is to stop the destruction of Russia and its neighbors, to stop the activities of a bunch of Kremlin businessmen who have attached themselves to the wealth of our people and are committing crimes inside and outside the country today.

We declare officials of the Government of the Russian Federation and regional administrations to be accomplices of the usurper – those who do not resign their powers will be destroyed by us.

We declare businessmen earning their money on corruption and connections with officials – traitors to the Motherland and accomplices of the usurper. The property of those who do not repent and do not publicly oppose this government and its war, and they themselves will be destroyed by us.

We declare the employees of law enforcement agencies to be accomplices of the usurper. Those who do not lay down their arms and do not take off their shoulder straps will be destroyed by us.

We declare the military cargo and the cargo of those who earn money from the war and help it financially legitimate goals that will be destroyed by us.

We remember the house bombings in Russia that brought Putin to power. We know that the regime will not stop before any most monstrous crime. And we declare: we carry out actions only against persons of this power. We will not attack civilian objects and civilians, and if Putin's security forces make such provocations and attribute victims to us - do not believe them!

We call on the soldiers of the Russian army to stop shooting at our brothers from other countries – Georgia, Syria and others.

We call on all Russians to join our ranks and raise the white-blue-white flag of the new Russia instead of the tricolor disgraced by Putin's power. *

We call on those who are ready to fight to follow our example and overthrow this inhuman, hypocritical and anti-people regime!

We consider it unacceptable that Russians have begun to cheat all over the world because of war crimes committed by those who have neither nationality nor fatherland, and who love only money and power. *

The world is not an enemy of Russia, and Russia is not an enemy of humanity, and we will prove it by deed.

We will give protection to all who follow our call.

Everyone who executes our program until the regime change is released from the responsibility provided for by the laws of the usurper.

After our victory, we will immediately release all those illegally convicted by Putin's government.

We will give freedom to all the peoples inhabiting Russia and build a new society – a society without oligarchs, without corruption, without the arbitrariness of officials, without humiliating poverty.

A society in which everyone will be rewarded according to his work. A society without wars and violence. *

A society in which power will belong to the people, where citizens will choose their own leaders, and organize the life of their cities and villages themselves. *

A society in which rulers will not be able to sacrifice human lives for the sake of their own greatness, but will think about education, medicine and scientific progress.

A society in which everyone will be proud that he was born in Russia and will want to live in it!

Long live Free Russia!

Wherever you are, fight like us, fight with us, fight better than us! *

Let's cleanse our homeland from filth! Victory will be ours!

Keep in touch with us via the Rospartisan telegram channel

Then a later Telegram post, talking about the Ukranian women blamed by Russian government for the Dugin killing:

"Natalya Vovk and Sofia Shaban were safely evacuated outside Russia at the request of our Russian friends, like a number of other people before. They did not directly participate in the action on August 20, 2022 in relation to D. Dugina (Platanova)."

(Note: Yandex translations directly from the below Telegram channel, no corrections)

https://t.me/rospartizan

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So I went to check it and seems like this is legit. What they are trying to do here with this is to recognize a woman as super/hero mom. Like I have stated previously, moms get decent support from the government regardless how many kids they have. In case with 10 children government gives away some sort of recognition present. Keep in mind that with average Russian salary we r talking about 2years wages here, like if you would get a $100K here in US. Also, It’s not enough to just brainlessly make 10 kids, they are suppose to be well educated ( up to their age), living in a good environment and so on. With all this info I don’t think anything wrong with it. Make those good wife’s/mothers happy and give them a well deserved treat
Appreciate the explanation.
I get that it's a totally different country and culture... as an American, this just seems so odd to me. lol

Granted, we have our own problems. But we certainly don't have our government offering money for a woman to birth 10+ kids. It seems so outside whats normal to me, I automatically assumed it was a ploy for Putin to repopulate the country due to the losses in the war.

But that's a long wait for future soldiers. lol

I do my own self-appointed superhero mom status, hence my username.

Again, appreciate the feedback!
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Appreciate the explanation.
I get that it's a totally different country and culture... as an American, this just seems so odd to me. lol

Granted, we have our own problems. But we certainly don't have our government offering money for a woman to birth 10+ kids. It seems so outside whats normal to me, I automatically assumed it was a ploy for Putin to repopulate the country due to the losses in the war.

But that's a long wait for future soldiers. lol

I do my own self-appointed superhero mom status, hence my username.

Again, appreciate the feedback!
Supermoms are awesome. My (now) wife is one of them
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“Sustainability” does not apply to European countries which weapons are being depleted right?
To me this just means that if all EU countries were fighting Russia, then they would have run out of weapons in less than a year. After which they would switch to a clean renewable energy source..
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“Sustainability” does not apply to European countries which weapons are being depleted right?
To me this just means that if all EU countries were fighting Russia, then they would have run out of weapons in less than a year. After which they would switch to a clean renewable energy source..
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Appreciate the explanation.
I get that it's a totally different country and culture... as an American, this just seems so odd to me. lol

Granted, we have our own problems. But we certainly don't have our government offering money for a woman to birth 10+ kids. It seems so outside whats normal to me, I automatically assumed it was a ploy for Putin to repopulate the country due to the losses in the war.

But that's a long wait for future soldiers. lol

I do my own self-appointed superhero mom status, hence my username.

Again, appreciate the feedback!
Well, When Putins government took power Russian population was declining, so they made this “maternity capital” program to push young families into making kids, well because financial part of this question is one of the most important ones. So since aprox 2007 government did some steps towards stopping decline of the population. So after 15 years working on this problem you can’t tell that they are doing this just to misplace losses in UA Like everywhere you go in US, if you did something better then others ( like even in school) you would get a sort of diploma or a raise. Here is the same, why not recognize her hard work and appreciate her. I don’t understand why you don’t understand
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