[Rfneimad]

Bad shit happens, and will continue to happen, because we are all assholes. Cant even get people to post in the right thread or think objectively. Separate yourselves from the actions of the rulers of your nations, especially the past shit. Do the same for others for the sake of pro-active discussion. When you or I say Russia this, US this you are buying into what nationalism was created to do, manipulate, control and exploit the masses for the benefit of the ruling class.

[Rfneimad]

Ladies and Gentlemenn, transperson, may I present Mr Tom Cooper

Ukraine War, 25, 26, 27 and 28 June 2022
Good morning everybody!

After a short break, back to summarising what happened in Ukraine of the last four days.

AIR/MISSILE WAR

A Russian Su-25 was shot down near Sloviansk, on 24 June, and another claimed shot down a day later. This morning, there are reports that the next VKS Su-25 hit the power lines in the Belgorod area, killing its pilot.

Missile War….On 24 June, Ukrainians hit the HQ of the 20th CAA; early on 25 June, and they hit an ammunition depot in Svatovo, in Luhansk Oblast (setting it on fire). Apparently, that action ‘provoked’ Russians to — on the following morning — strike the Kyiv area by six Tu-22s, then by two Su-34s, and then by four additional Tu-22s, around 19.00hrs. All of jets approached via the Belarusian airspace, and released their missiles before entering Ukrainian airspace. The following video is providing a nice reconstruction of this action, supported by intercepted communications of VKS crews.


On 26 June, Ukrainians claimed the destruction of a Russian convoy underway along the Maryansk-Berisav road, in Kherson Oblast, and a day later they hit the Zmyni Island with 12 rockets knocking out, between others, another Pantsyr SAM-system.

Apparently, it was all of this that prompted the GRU (Russian military intelligence) to declare a crowded shopping mal in Kremenchuk for ‘target’: this was hit by two Kh-22s launched from a Tu-22M-3 from Shaikovka AB (Kaluga Oblast, 200km south-west of Moscow), early on 27 June, killing dozens (AFAIK, the number of fatalities is still not known: latest update I know about is for 18 dead, 59 injured, and 36 missing).


A screen-grab from a video released by the Ukrainian MOD, shown a Kh-22 in a terminal dive on Kremenchuk, on the morning of 27 June.
….in reaction to which Washington decided to provide NASAMS SAMs to Ukraine.

The Keystone Cops then came up to explain they have hit a hangar that contained ammunition and armour supplied from the NATO, while the Smoker first explained Russia has nothing to do with this attack, and then explained it for a mistake…then — as usually when they screw up this much — the Keystone Cops corrected themselves and said they were targeting the factory ‘behind’ the mall… the same old story from Syria of 2015–2019, all over again…

Yesterday, on 28 June, Ukrainians deployed HIMARS to hit a Russian base in Perevalsk, in Luhansk Oblast (about 50km from the frontline), to re-strike Zmyini Island, and — early this morning — to strike an unknown target in Belgorod and an air base outside Kursk, in Russia (probably using some of their modified Tupolev Tu-141 UAVs). The Russians ‘retaliated’ by launching a two-waves strike on Mykolaiv and Ochakov, yesterday. The first, at 04.00hrs in the morning, resulted in three missile strikes at the homebase of the 79th Airborne Assault Brigade. This was empty and thus no casualties were reported. Subsequent strikes brought the number of Kh-22 released to a total of 11, some of which were claimed as shot down. At least one Kh-22 hit the naval base in Ochakov, while another hit a stadium in Mykolaiv. The same stadium was then attacked by another missile in the afternoon. Ukrainians lost at least three civilians killed (including a 6-years-old girl) and six wounded.

This morning, between 6 and 8 Kh-22s have hit the Mykolaiv area. At least one of them hit an apartment building. Casualties have been reported, but details are not yet known.

BATTLE OF DONBASS

Kharkiv….The last week, the Russians pushed south in the area of Lyptsi and reached Ruski Tyshky, from where their artillery can reach Kharkiv again. Ever since, they’re regularly shelling northern outskirts of the city: other areas are repeatedly hit by heavier/longer-ranged weapons. Between others, as result of their strikes, the Korotich area west of city is without electrical power since yesterday evening. On the frontline… subsequently, the Russians have launched several attacks south of Kozacha Lopan, but especially on Ternova and Rubizhne. Meanwhile it appears they have secured Ternova and reached northern outskirts of Rubizhne. That said, all action there is run by small forces (depleted companies), both sides are exhausted, and it’s obvious this is a ‘side-show’ in comparison to what’s going on in the east.

Sloviansk…the Russians continue attacking the frontline between Korulka, Dolyna and Bohorodichne — still without any major success except for, possibly, establishing themselves in the northern fringes of the latter.

Lysychansk…. Generally, the Russians have established themselves in control over the entire northern bank of the Siversky Donets, and are plastering all of Lysychansk with a continuous artillery barrage. By now, they have captured Bila Hora and Topolivka, and are pushing on Maloryzantseve and Verkhnokamyanka. With other words: they are attempting to exploit the momentum gained by Ukrainian withdrawal from Severodonetsk. The big question of the last few days was: what are Ukrainians going to do as next?

At first, it appeared that a withdrawal from Lysychansk would be imminent: after all, videos surfaced of several columns of T-64s and mechanised infantry rolling in direction of Bakhmut, and it appeared as if elements of the 3rd and 17th Tank, and the survivors of the 24th and 57th Mech would have been evacuated from this area. Several of columns are known to have been hit by the Russian artillery fire, too, and there were casualties. Meanwhile, it’s clear that at least the 24th and 57th were much too depleted to continue fighting and they had to be replaced by fresh units; but, the 17th is still around.

In more detail: in the Bila Hora area, Ukrainians have entrenched in the gelatine plant: Russians are heavily shelling the area for days already, but so far their assaults have failed. What’s more problematic is the Russian advance on Maloryzantseve, which is threatening to block the T1302 west of Lysychansk. Further south, the Russians are assaulting from Vovcharyvka into the hilly area east of Verknokamyanka, which is well-fortified. What is particularly unpleasant for Ukrainians is the fact that the Russians have crossed the T1302 north of Berestove and attacked Sprine. Although Ukrainians reported them as repelled there, there is meanwhile no doubt that the Russians are now assaulting Verkhnokamyanka from the south, too.


An Ukrainian Krab self-propelled howitzer calibre 155mm in action in the Donbass.
Overall, to me it appears as if the Russians might any time now break through in direction of Bilohorivka, and/or Zolotarivka, in turn prompting a quick withdrawal of the Lysychansk garrison. Why that? Because, just like in Severodonetsk before, the problem is not holding the town, but keeping the garrison supplied. The latter is impossible to do if communications to it are cut off. Moreover, just like Severdonetsk, Ukrainians are keen to save the mass of their combat-experienced troops and — the way they are running this operation — most of their heavy equipment, too.

Bakhmut… Yesterday, Ukrainians claimed to have recovered Klynove, east of Bakhmut, and then attacked towards Ilovaisk. South of that area, Wagner PMC is assaulting the Vuhlehirska power plant (held by elements of the 30th Mech) from east and south, plus Smyhirja and Kodema west of it.


An Ukrainian Panzerhaubitze-2000 in action in Donbass.
SOUTH

Zaporizhzhya….On 24 June, the 54th Mech attacked south of Vuhledar — with quite some success: it pushed the Russians (2–3 weak BTGs of the 150th MRD) at least 10km towards south, liberating at least two villages in the process. Elsewhere, there was only little action, primarily aiming to improve local positions. However, in the Russian back, Ukrainian guerrilla is running amok in the Melitopol area: it’s attacking Russian officials and troops, apparently some of trains hauling supplies, too.

NOTE: yes, I know, there are rumours about Ukrainians not only liberating Polohy, but also reaching Snihurivka, on the Tokmak River, east of Tokmak (town). However, there’s no evidence for this.


A Russian BTR-82 captured somewhere in the south. Perhaps somebody can identify the white insignia stencilled on it?
Kherson…generally, Ukrainians remain zip-lip about what’s going on there. Few days ago, somebody reported them being only five kilometres outside Kherson, but I think that was ‘just reconnaissance in force’. That said, the Russian claims about some sort of counteroffensive can only be described as fantasy: both Kiselivka and Stanislav remain in Ukrainian hands, and Ukrainian guerrilla is vividly active inside Kherson (city). Finally, in the northern Kherson Oblast, the Ukrainian 60th Mech liberated two villages and pushed the Russians back to Zolota Balka.


An Ukrainian T-64 captured by the Wagner PMC: area unknown.
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[Faust]

I imagine a world where the cartels are hired to guard the US-Mexico border. They will maim and torture any people that try to cross the border. Only in that dream, people try to cross over from US to Mexico. Prosecuted because they didn’t have an abortion or didn’t have the correct pronouns. It will happen within a 100 years, unless somebody takes control of the nation

[Rfneimad]

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I imagine a world where the cartels are hired to guard the US-Mexico border. They will maim and torture any people that try to cross the border. Only in that dream, people try to cross over from US to Mexico. Prosecuted because they didn’t have an abortion or didn’t have the correct pronouns. It will happen within a 100 years, unless somebody takes control of the nation

I think they accidentally woke the Sleeping Bitch, might take awhile but women are pissed and might start taking shit over. Which might be the only way these schoolyard fight wars stop. Or we will see crazy new wars fought over shit only women can dream up.

[wecefrsec]

In this video, Stanford professor, neuroscientist and author Robert Sapolsky replies to multiple requests for his commentary about the current situation in Ukraine.

In scientific terms, Sapolsky says, recognizing "us" and "them" is rooted in the kin selection, but for humans, it gets complicated for various reasons. Our big brain and reliance on thinking provide opportunities for manipulation that can take us too far.


Btw at 00:38 he cant find Duntez on the map

[duntez]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Im just curious how could he show the deaths of Donbass people. Does he own a news agency?

Anyways, vast majority of Ukraine-Donbass war casualties occurred during the first 2 years of the war( 3,404 civilian deaths, which includes almost 300 deaths from the Malaisian flight that was shot down by Russians ).
This 3400 casualty number is then split by half. It is shared by Ukraine and Russian side( ie half of those casualties are on Russia ).
To be more honest, all of those casualties are on Russia since Russia started the war. There were no casualties in Donbass in 2012 or 2013.

There were years in 2014-2022 conflict where civilian casualties were below 30....for a whole year.

Compare the numbers from that 8 tears to what Russia is doing now. Russia causes more casualties now, in a day, than both sides caused in a year leading up to the invasion.

If war casualties and civilian deaths were the reason why Russia invaded Ukraine, then its like saying...hey, there is a small fire in your living room. Let me put it out by pouring gasoline onto it.

Plenty of videos on TC where those cities and villages getting smashed on every day basis. Western media don’t want to cover that since 2014. So does Whiskey since Feb of 2024

Show me where Russian Army is crossing the border from 2014 to Feb of 2024? With all this satellites and drones even mouse hardly can cross the line.

There was no war because the was no Maidan yet.

Ofcause there are much more casualties now it’s a damn war now, Russian armies did cross the border as you can see. And why r u talking about death toll anyway? You thought if anything it was suppose to be an eye for an eye and then they r friends again?

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Plenty of videos on TC where those cities and villages getting smashed on every day basis. Western media don’t want to cover that since 2014. So does Whiskey since Feb of 2024

Show me where Russian Army is crossing the border from 2014 to Feb of 2024? With all this satellites and drones even mouse hardly can cross the line.

There was no war because the was no Maidan yet.

Ofcause there are much more casualties now it’s a damn war now, Russian armies did cross the border as you can see. And why r u talking about death toll anyway? You thought if anything it was suppose to be an eye for an eye and then they r friends again?

Soviet Union breaks up. No violence. Ukraine broke up with Russia, no violence. Donbass broke up with Ukraine after Ukraine had identity crisis and as I remember it was like Nazi vs Confederate faggotry on both sides. Then ZSU showed up and said watch this but mysteriously got their ass kicked a bunch. Deglove dude on a telephone line I cannot unsee. I have picture perfect memory kinda but my glasses aren't on in my mind so its blurry. Anyways, so I kinda see where you could see it's always fucking Ukraine with the violence between east and west cause west got more gay long ago when they hooked up with the Poles or whatever. Wait but didn't Russia get pissed too at other dumb ass breakaway shit? I don't know nuke it all like Faust says.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Rfneimad ↗

Soviet Union breaks up. No violence. Ukraine broke up with Russia, no violence. Donbass broke up with Ukraine after Ukraine had identity crisis and as I remember it was like Nazi vs Confederate faggotry on both sides. Then ZSU showed up and said watch this but mysteriously got their ass kicked a bunch. Deglove dude on a telephone line I cannot unsee. I have picture perfect memory kinda but my glasses aren't on in my mind so its blurry. Anyways, so I kinda see where you could see it's always fucking Ukraine with the violence between east and west cause west got more gay long ago when they hooked up with the Poles or whatever. Wait but didn't Russia get pissed too at other dumb ass breakaway shit? I don't know nuke it all like Faust says.

There was plenty of violence. Countries couldn’t mark their borders. Armenia and Azerbaijan, Georgia and Ossetians. In Ukraine there was referendum in Krimea people wanted to stay with Russia, but new government put a big dick on their opinion and kept it silent . Between Russia Berolus and Ukraine it went down peacefully.

Russia was helping Donbas the way NATO and west helps Ukraine now, we’ll much less I guess. Just didn’t send regular army they way she did now. Why wouldn’t she support people who’s was asking for help and protection.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Yeah duntez I've definitely posted videos of Russian controlled Donyetsk getting shelled by Ukraine.

I've said multiple times that there's shittiness on both sides, I've never not said that, that's just silly to say. Including the video of Ukrainians executing that Russian who was still alive. Take your strawman arguments elsewhere. Ok? Good talk.