[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Winter is coming!

Doesn't mean shit. Russia was only good in the winter during WW2. They haven't been able to fight in warm conditions during this conflict...an undersupplied Russian force will most likely get wiped in the winter. They also got their cheeks clapped during the winter thaw when the conflict started.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

I truly wonder what will happen to Russia after all of this.

It's not looking good for them. Even China is clearly distancing themselves from Putin as per yesterday's meeting.

I feel sorry for the everyday Russians who don't want this war and and don't buy the lazy Kremlin narratives which are clearly laughable and only room-temp IQ folks would believe.

But then again, every single country on earth has the leader they deserve and some collective blame is apparent. Stop allowing these lunatics to be at the helm.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

You need to be a liar for WonderMomma her narrative to work;

If the US really provided people like you to kill protesters and escalate initial peaceful protests in Ukraine so that there could be an illegal coup, that completely destroys her narrative and ‘research’; she hadn’t heard about Maidan before Duntez mentioned it to her a few weeks ago anyway. But yeah.

If you had any proof as to what you did and who ordered you around, I assume you would have been dead by now. So I don’t know who to believe anymore

Timeline:
(2008 Some Nato bitches are welcoming Ukraine and Georgia into Nato and say: "these countries will become members of NATO")

2013 UKR president favours a Russian trade agreement over an EU one
2013 US sends convicts, neo-nazis, and other criminals to escalate shit later
2014 US provides instructions, official twitter accounts, creates news organisations
2014 shit gets escalated
2014 US puppet regime takes place of old democratically elected UKR government
2014 Crimea votes to leave Ukraine, not a single shot fired
2014 eastern republics declare independence, civil war breaks out
2014 UKR puppet regime signs Minsk agreements (later it is shown they did this to buy time and build stronger army to later destroy Crimea and eastern republics)
2014-2019 opposition parties get banned, Russian language not recognised anymore, Minsk agreements never honoured so civil war in the east led to 15.000 civilians killed
2019 Zelensky wins election with majority, campaign promised to honour Minsk agreements
2020 Release of the Sony PlayStation 5
2021 Zelensky is talking shit on tv saying he needs nuclear weapons
2021 (late 2021) Zelensky learns of impending Russian invasion, instead of warning people, lies to citizens claiming there will be no invasion and that they should not evacuate, later he will claim this was to use the civilians as human shields*
2022 Russia gives Ukraine ultimatum, to re-sign nuclear non-proliferation, sign to never join Nato, stop hostilities against the independent republics
2022 Ukraine refuses the ultimatum and here we are

* https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ew-transcript/

So what you are saying is that Russia is mad at the US and Ukraine for doing what they do better than them? If Russia takes over and even promises to pardon Zelensky...Putin will ensure Zelensky accidentally falls out of a 5 story building like all the other opposition. People meme on Hillary Clinton killing off political opposition but I promise you nobody kills off political opposition better than Russian leaders.

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I truly wonder what will happen to Russia after all of this.

It's not looking good for them. Even China is clearly distancing themselves from Putin as per yesterday's meeting.

I feel sorry for the everyday Russians who don't want this war and and don't buy the lazy Kremlin narratives which are clearly laughable and only room-temp IQ folks would believe.

But then again, every single country on earth has the leader they deserve and some collective blame is apparent. Stop allowing these lunatics to be at the helm.

Reisner mentioned revolution, which leads me to think someone is funding some shenanigans.

[AnonX93]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I truly wonder what will happen to Russia after all of this.

It's not looking good for them. Even China is clearly distancing themselves from Putin as per yesterday's meeting.

I feel sorry for the everyday Russians who don't want this war and and don't buy the lazy Kremlin narratives which are clearly laughable and only room-temp IQ folks would believe.

But then again, every single country on earth has the leader they deserve and some collective blame is apparent. Stop allowing these lunatics to be at the helm.

The only way Russia recovers from this is if the people take back the government and try and execute Putin for war crimes and put a more neutral leader in charge. Definitely doesn't have to be pro-NATO but someone that has good judgment...also needs to have cabinet members and military leadership who aren't afraid of spontaneously committing suicide for telling them the truth.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by DoktorDoris ↗

i am sure the situation is far more nuanced than, perhaps, i initially understood it to be.
and i must admit i have a problem with the fact that despite the warsaw pact being wound up when the soviet empire imploded NATO still exists as if the cold war is still a thing.
but what i really have a visceral reaction against is this bit-

2022 Russia gives Ukraine ultimatum, to re-sign nuclear non-proliferation, sign to never join Nato, stop hostilities against the independent republics

Giving ultimatums to sovereign states about their policy decisions, even if you think that policy will affect you, is an unforgivably shitty thing to do. so what if a country wants to join NATO (thank fuck they hadn't already joined though) and i know self determination is a thing, but when does an aggressive treasonous break-away state become a new country? as that's what an independent republic must surely be.

DD

Ukraine is not a sovereign state if you listen to boneface and the people he identifies with.
What you would consider literal Nazis were seconds away from starting another ‘revolution’. BBC reported on this years ago. Boneface will not deny it either

[Rfneimad]

Upon the outbreak of World War I, Ukraine, as was the case with, for example, Ireland and India at the time, existed as a colonized ancient nation, but not as an independent political entity or state. The territory that made up the modern country of Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire with a notable southwestern region administered by the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and the border between them dating to the Congress of Vienna in 1815.

However, towards the latter 19th century, both Empires attempted to exert their influence on the adjacent territory on the tide of rising national awareness of the period as borders did not undermine the ethnic composition of Europe. The Russian Empire viewed Ukrainians as Little Russians and had the support of the large Russophile community among the Ukrainian and Ruthenians population in Galicia. Austria, on the contrary, supported the late-19th century rise in Ukrainian Nationalism. Western Ukraine was a major standoff for the Balkans and the Slavic Orthodox population it harboured.

[Rfneimad]

During World War I the western Ukrainian people were situated between Austria-Hungary and Russia. Ukrainian villages were regularly destroyed in the crossfire. Ukrainians could be found participating on both sides of the conflict. In Galicia, over twenty thousand Ukrainians who were suspected of being sympathetic to Russian interests were arrested and placed in Austrian concentration camps, both in Talerhof, Styria and in Terezín fortress (now in the Czech Republic).

The brutality did not end with the end of the First World War for Ukrainians. Fighting actually escalated with the beginning of the Russian Revolution of 1917. The revolution began a civil war within the Russian Empire and much of the fighting took place in the Ukrainian provinces. Many atrocities occurred during the civil war as the Red, White, Polish, Ukrainian, and allied armies marched throughout the country.[5]

There were couple of attempts during this period when the Ukrainians successfully established their own state. One was with the capital in Kyiv and the other in Lviv, but neither one of them gained enough support in the international community and they both failed.[5]

The 1919 Treaty of Versailles secured the borders of Ukrainian land after those of other European countries. In the West, Galicia and western Volhynia were left to Poland. The Kingdom of Romania gained the province of Bukovina. Czechoslovakia secured the former lands of Austria-Hungary, Uzhhorod and Mukachevo. The remaining central and eastern Ukrainian provinces were left to the brotherly Soviet Union. As a result of World War I and the Russian Civil War, Ukrainian nationalists looked on as their attempt to attain statehood crumbled in favor of other countries' territorial expansion when 1.5 million had lost their lives in the recent fighting.[5]

With the end of World War I the Ukrainian national movement went underground.

[Rfneimad]

Faust I want a 10 page essay on the similarities AND differences here tomorrow morning.

[DoktorDoris]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Ukraine is not a sovereign state if you listen to boneface and the people he identifies with.
What you would consider literal Nazis were seconds away from starting another ‘revolution’. BBC reported on this years ago. Boneface will not deny it either

christ I miss the Daesh days. compared to this they had the moral ambiguity of rebel alliance vs the empire.