[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I plucked this out of the media thread to redirect it to the comments thread.



And here goes the personal insults. Normally this wouldn't be an insult but coming from you, it most definitely is. I thought we had a good thing going where insulting each other wasn't going to be a thing?

I never claimed to be a western journalist. I summarize news stories for a website involving the war in Ukraine using sources from all sides and all depths of the earth's assholes. I don't get paid to do it, I am a volunteer. The whole point of my organization is to attempt to do it differently than most of the world. We don't include our personal opinions and feelings amongst the information we report, thereby turning it into a talk show or brainwashing machine.

I don't think the western world is all that and a bag of chips either but I certainly prefer it over the alternative. You seem to really focus hard on vilifying it to the point where doing so has clouded your judgement a bit and causes you to generalize a whole group of people based off the actions of our governments and elite who "rule" us. And you live in a western country! Odd.

I don't generalize you and Duntez with all the people on the opposite side of this argument. Never have. Never would. I don't think negatively about Russians in general based on what Putin and the rest of the RF do. Why do you condemn people based on things they cannot control?

I thought perhaps my novel posts would at least give you an idea that I do try to look into things instead of believing everything I hear, further helping to melt away the stereotype of the typical westerner, in your eyes. I guess not.

When the personal insults and bickering start, it no longer constitutes an intelligent discussion, therefore, I lose all interest in continuing it. At least Duntez replies back to me with things I can go and research as well as acknowledges some of my points. You leave me with nothing but grossly inaccurate analogies, "what ifs", and "whatabouts".

That's the kind of information that as a person trying to maintain responsible reporting of factual information, gets ignored.

With traditional journalism there always needs to be a trusted source, and if that source can be independently verified (by said journalist) then they would publish the story or claim.

You made a statement to which I responded, nothing more.

If your initial source is second hand information claimed by twitter or “it was all over Russian telegram”, then it is not a source nor can you verify it.

If you believe you don’t need this journalistic principle/integrity, then like I said western journalism (as exercised by CNN, Fox, and so on) suits you. If anything it is a compliment

[Faust]

Also it’s not that the non-western media doesn’t lie, they do, most certainly even more than ours. It’s just that our western media is much better at it.

[textex]

Poor Faust, it must be hard to wake up every day and be wrong about everything.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by textex ↗

Poor Faust, it must be hard to wake up every day and be wrong about everything.

I’d rather potentially be wrong about something, than to live everyday without knowing anything.

[Rfneimad]

Faust you really should withdraw over the river now your positions are being overrun

[AnonX93]

Duntez and faust are in hard cope mode. The tears taste delicious fellas. Russian swine will be in the slaughterhouse soon enough.

[Rfneimad]

Well the last time it was this bad for Russia they won by trashing everything in Ukraine and retreating to Moscow to let winter take care of the invaders. Don't think that option is on the table now.

[marekparek]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

For that they would need to evacuate all civilians first and then move all their troops out of the area..

“We initially were to disable the military as to preserve civilian infrastructure and life, but due to illegal tactics as documented by amnesty international, not to mention attacks on nucleair reactors and Zelensky not initially evacuating its citizens to serve as humans shields, the decision was made to evacuate all citizens out of the area and troops were pulled back as well. All remaining Ukrainian and mercenary forces are to surrender or fall back to X as we declare the entirety of Y as demilitarised zone”

Something like that?

Russia knows that western backed terrorists will forever kill mayors, journalists and police officers in liberated areas even after referendum or especially during them, blowing up voting posts and what not. As i stated from the very beginning, long term occupation could never have been any realistic goal. You will claim it was, but no western nation was ever to successfully do it, not in Vietnam, nor in conflict started this millennium. “But the russians were stupid so this really was their goal and they wanted to do it in 3 days even!” Yeah sure Whiskey, but i mean the other people know what is up.

this is some serious bullshitting here

[ride]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I’d rather potentially be wrong about something, than to live everyday without knowing anything.

I'm gonna have to disagree with that. I feel much more relaxed when I stop worrying about stuff I have absolutely no control over. Head in the sand? You betcha. Blissfully unaware

But hey, you do you.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

With traditional journalism there always needs to be a trusted source, and if that source can be independently verified (by said journalist) then they would publish the story or claim.

You made a statement to which I responded, nothing more.

If your initial source is second hand information claimed by twitter or “it was all over Russian telegram”, then it is not a source nor can you verify it.

If you believe you don’t need this journalistic principle/integrity, then like I said western journalism (as exercised by CNN, Fox, and so on) suits you. If anything it is a compliment

Compliment? You lopped me in with your perception of the western propaganda machine. I don't believe it was a compliment. But that's ok. That's the easy thing to do when you don't understand something. Relate it to something you're more familiar with and call it a day.

I personally, never said my sources for anything were Twitter/Telegram. I remember seeing a related exchange to which I was not a part of.

Generally, I do not use Twitter, Telegram or any other social media as sources. It goes against my instinctual grain for truth. I abhor the big media giants such as CNN, FOX, MSN, etc.

Social media in general has become something I see as a tool for mostly negativity. If I do use something from Twitter or Telegram, it's only because there are multiple other sources from all sides of the isle saying the same thing.

I've used the other media giants as sources as well but only when there are multiple other sources from other sides/views to use as well. I try to use as much "independent" non-conglomerate sources as possible. Also, government sources of information are handled with care as well.

Opsec is also a major factor in both our stream and our news posts. We also push "verified" information so sometimes our articles are a few days late. In our minds, better to be accurate and late. Hopefully we'll get more proficient.

My point is that we are not all able to be put into a general western box (or American, or Russian, or any other label). Trying to operate outside the lines of any stereotype is challenging as conforming is the easy path. But for me, the truth overrules all and is what's most important regardless of how hard it is to find and how much it may hurt to hear sometimes.

Our group definitely has room to improve as far as gathering opposition sources and that is a big task I have to take on as some of our news people from the past were not very selective in their sourcing. But the goal is to present a headline, some general facts and then information from all sides. That allows the reader to be fully informed in one article and able to use the information to read between the lines on what makes the most sense to them.

Finding reliable legitimate sources for Russian information is tricky for me, so if you have any sources outside of Telegram and Twitter you would recommend, please let me know. I'm always on the hunt for that kind of stuff. Even if the information from one side to the other doesn't quite match up, the differences between them can be telling as well.

Apologies if I bit your head off in reaction to the "western journalist" comment. Like the words conservative and liberal... the word western has turned into a four-letter word. As someone trying to keep a grip on reality, I'm extra sensitive to that kind of stuff.