[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

A good novel to read, WonderMomma. And I didn't know you wrote articles.

And indeed, the whole of Donbas, and Crimea, is Ukraine.

Thank you, Whiskey. Just write up news articles for the streams website. We're on a bit of a break at the moment but starting up next week.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Yanukovych was gone and Petro Poroshenko elected in May of 2014 to succeed him. During the month after Yanukovych’s departure, on Putin’s orders, masked Russian troops captured areas of Crimea (airports and military bases), booted out the Ukrainian military and led to the installation of the pro-Russian Aksyonov government. Initially denying this, Putin later admitted he deployed the troops to “stand behind Crimea’s self-defence forces” referring to separatist forces.

Right of the back you missed the key point. On feb 21st between Maidan and Yanukovich was signed an agreement. From Maidain pro western puppet Yatcenuk, head of "Svoboda" party ( IMO NAZI party) Tyagnibok. Witnessed by French, Poland and Germany. The same day once Yanukovich left to Kharkiv, opposition broke this agreement by overtaking governmental buildings, once Police and national guards left obeying order of Yanukovich who was following the agreement. Western politicians who witnessed this agreement kept silence. What happened here is an illegal seizure of power and coup d'etat. There are several ways on how to remove president from power in the constitution of UA and the way it was done was not one of them, so opposition first broke their promise on agreement between them and Yanukovich and later on they broke the Constitutional Law. Right after what happened in Kiev, in Krimea ( especially when local police forces came back from Maidan) locals started to organize territorial defense. Im from Krimea and my uncle joined the movement. The same was happening in Eastern Ukraine. South/Eastern Ukraine did not agree to accept this new so called government and stood up. Now if ur the president of Russia and you see that pretty much bandits took power in 40million people country, where you had your fleet for over 300 years which is strategically important, when you know that people of Krimea during fall of USSR were voting several times to be a part of Russia, when you see no adequate reaction on what's going on from Western countries, which pretty much means they are good about it, you need to act. Putin did what he did. Not sure if all 90% of people of Krimea supported it but I swear god 70 to 80% for sure. We had lines of people willing to vote for joining RF, people were happy, and congratulating each other. Western propaganda didn't show that part or tried to push fake news such as - people of Krimea were forced to do it. Lies.
Ukranian Army in Crimea wasn't "booted out" they were offered to stay and continue their service if they want to and guess what, more then half of them stayed.
Russia didn't make pro-Russian government there, because Crimea was always pro Russia.

[duntez]

WonderMomma
Gosh im already tired...and I commented just on one tiny paragraph of yours...

[Faust]

I’ll respond properly later but
“Referendum”. Should a government be allowed to shoot its civilians if they hold a referendum? That is where you would need to draw a line.
The annexation of Crimea happened without a single shot fired. The people voted and the army was there to make sure that this would not happen:

“I recently wrote an article that they were planning a referendum to take over Kherson this month. But I think all hell is breaking loose down there as Ukraine fights to defend against this.”

Shooting civilians to ‘defend’ against said civilians voting to not be part of your country anymore?

Now you will say: “russia is bad so to defend against russian influence civilians should be able to be shot, sure” but imagine 10 years from now with the democrats sending in the army to kill or capture mayors in Texas and shooting civilians to make sure they cannot vote to leave the “United Democrat States of America” would you still be okay with it then? When it’s not on Wikipedia but at your own doorstep

[duntez]

WonderMomma

Ukraine and many other countries considered this to be a direct violation of international law. Not only that, this action by Russia was a violation of agreements Russia had made safeguarding the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

If you are referring to Budapest Memorandum, well it was never ratified by any country involved, therefor is doesn't have a status of international contract/agreement.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

It always fascinates me when ppl just run scared as they could be running into trouble rather than away from it. You should IMO Drop, Asses & Egress out of situations like that after you ID the threat as just to run without any idea is ?

I agree!
Bit off-topic but I recently was at a big train station in western Europe and the building got evacuated because of a bomb threat. Everybody gathered right outside the exits in big, tightly packed together groups. I manoeuvred myself to the edge where I was able to leave ‘my’ group, and create a safe distance while looking out for any suspicious people coming into my vicinity. I swear while I was backing off, I was preparing for the “ALLAHU ACKBAR!!111”
Fortunately it never came, and after 10 minutes everybody was allowed back inside. But I really was like at the other passengers lack of survival instincts

[duntez]

WonderMomma
Gosh so hard to find the lines to quote in your novel
So, new parliament put Turchinov as president until the first election. That blood thirsty, south/eastern Ukraine hater sent a damn army to deal with those who didn’t recognize their power. Didn’t go there himself nor didn’t even try to send a group of representatives to talk the the people of Donbas, to hear them out to make some promises to keep to each other, no. He just like those in power and oh gosh especially those who were on TV proclaimed them separatists and terrorists. But even before he sent an army, private national batallions were formed and sent to deal with Donbas. Such as Tornado ( just read about them, I’m sure you will be surprised what they were doing to the people of Donbas), Aydar, AZOV, Dnepr 1 and so on. When Ukr tanks came to Donbas, people were stopping tanks by hands. There are videos on YouTube even. And only after first shells and dead civilians they took weapons. Russian regular army never crossed the border until 2022. You can go through all the pages of OBSE and I guarantee you you will not find a single fact proving me wrong. Russia were helping yes, just like west was helping Kiev, but didn’t cross the border. BTW now all famous city Mariupol didn’t recognize new Kyev government too and even local police stood with the people. AZOV came over, Incircled police department and opened fire with rifles, BTRs… killing many of them… this videos are on YouTube too… So for you Russia didn’t have right, but for me and many other south/eastern Ukrainians Russia did have a right, because we were screaming for help and Russia answered.
And then Feb 24 came. I don’t support this full scale war. I think it was a mistake, but I also think Putin didn’t plan it this way. If he knew it’s gonna be like what it is, he would probably hold the horses.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Have no idea what it is. But I think only mig-29 can fly off a field. Due to his engine intake protection when on a runway, so dirt and other garbage didn’t get sucked Into the engine destroying it.

Landing could be different, but I am looking into it!

Edit: this settles it!

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Have no idea what it is. But I think only mig-29 can fly off a field. Due to his engine intake protection when on a runway, so dirt and other garbage didn’t get sucked Into the engine destroying it.

The A-10 Thunderbolt is designed to land in these situations. Most of these landings in the video are in the US (Michigan), a couple in Estonia.

[jkesil]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

The whole 5th floor of a condo in Kherson was wiped out after Ukr strike. Wounded and killed. There could be more under the rubble

You’re actually posting anti-russkie posts here. 30 percent of them about shelling Ukrainian civillians. Proud of it?