[chechnya]

duntez, Faust, other pro-Russians.. Do you mind if I ask your country of origin and current country of residence?

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

None of your explanations make sense. It's the same narrative Russia pushes. Deny, blame others, dodge responsibility. Ukraine is fighting tooth and nail for every spec of land currently occupied by Russia. Why would Ukraine shell Europe's largest nuclear power plant? It would essentially render large areas of Ukraine uninhabitable for millennia if a disaster happened.

What makes more sense? Russia trying to control European energy. They cut gas to Europe, so now their largest nuclear power plant is next. There's no reason for those terrorist scum to hijack and set up shop in a nuclear power plant.

Do you not remember when Russia activity attacked Zaporizhzhia when they first invaded? Russia is the one who delayed IAEA from visiting in the first place. The power plant was operating just fine before it was taken over.

No one's ever posted a legitimate, coherent or logical reason as to why Russia is waging war.

Glad to see someone in here has a firm grasp on reality!

I've stated before why I think this war started and energy is only one of the reasons.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

duntez, Faust, other pro-Russians.. Do you mind if I ask your country of origin and current country of residence?

Ukraine/USA

[chechnya]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Ukraine/USA

Interesting, and that's why I ask. I keep an open mind, I form an opinion based on (hopefully) the least biased sources of information. There's a high chance someone out there is much more knowledgeable about this situation than I am.

I know there's more to this war than Russia randomly building up troops to invade Ukraine and I don't buy the Nazi narrative. I did go down a rabbit hole one night about the Nazism in the former Ukrainian government(Azov). I recall at the start of the war seeing all of the war footage on funker530 but then raising a brow noticing the upload dates 1-3 before the war even started. Then I remembered 2014..

So what is this all really about? At first I thought resource control. In a previous thread, I pointed out recent double digit ton coal contracts with India and China. The Donetsk Coal Basis with an estimated 40 billion tons of coal.

What about the idea of Putin trying to reunite the old Soviet Union? Is there any truth to this or is this just another conspiracy? Can anyone tell me why this is going on?

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

Interesting, and that's why I ask. I keep an open mind, I form an opinion based on (hopefully) the least biased sources of information. There's a high chance someone out there is much more knowledgeable about this situation than I am.

I know there's more to this war than Russia randomly building up troops to invade Ukraine and I don't buy the Nazi narrative. I did go down a rabbit hole one night about the Nazism in the former Ukrainian government(Azov). I recall at the start of the war seeing all of the war footage on funker530 but then raising a brow noticing the upload dates 1-3 before the war even started. Then I remembered 2014..

So what is this all really about? At first I thought resource control. In a previous thread, I pointed out recent double digit ton coal contracts with India and China. The Donetsk Coal Basis with an estimated 40 billion tons of coal.

What about the idea of Putin trying to reunite the old Soviet Union? Is there any truth to this or is this just another conspiracy? Can anyone tell me why this is going on?

IMO resource control may have been a motivator in post Soviet Russia to control Ukraine via puppets. Money is power, and leverage against enemies. It became abundantly clear that Russia "wanted" Ukraine, for whatever reason. When Maidan came, Ukraine threw out the puppet (Yanukovich). This left a very sour taste in Russia's mouth. You don't do that to Russia, Russia does that to you. We control you, if you try to escape our clutches we'll bring you back in. Putin has said many things over the years about Ukraine, some of them roughly translating as "we're both one people" and "Ukraine itself shouldn't exist" (degrading their status as an independent people, culture, deserving their own country).

Plus Putin's massive ego, old Russians' desire for very strong characters in opposition to the west, clear love of Soviet times, penchant for violence, dishonesty and intimidation. Putin's idol afterall was a gangster he knew in childhood. Can't remember his name.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

About the "Nazis". Putin wouldn't pluck a single hair for Nazis. He doesn't give a flying shit about them but he does know that this can strike an emotional chord with many Russians. So this is used as bait for the Russian public to eat up as justification. Same for the Russian speakers of Donbas. He doesn't give a single shit about them. But he's savvy enough to know that he can use that as further justification, along with "NATO expanding their footprint" on Earth. Putin knows NATO isn't going to just attack him out of the blue, if they're attacking it's because he's fucking up. Create the illusion that the evil NATO is at the gates, isolate your people from the developed world, make yourself the new tsar of Russia who will save the Russian people, so on and all that bullshit that gets megalomaniacs off.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Also, Alexsandr Dugin, who has had Putin's ear for many years, said in a book in the 90's that in order for Russia to rebuild its power globally, it would have to use "misinformation, destabilization and annexation." And that an annexation target for this was specifically Ukraine. He actually wrote this in a book, his whole idea of this by broad concept is coined "Eurasianism".

[Faust]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

duntez, Faust, other pro-Russians.. Do you mind if I ask your country of origin and current country of residence?

I am not pro-Russian, but anyway;
Born:Poland/Current passport:Germany

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I am not pro-Russian, but anyway;
Born:Poland/Current passport:Germany

Yeah, forgot to mention, I’m not pro Russia either, I’m pro South/Eastern Ukranian. Who you guys in Europe and USA like to call terrorists and separatists chechnya

[Faust]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

Interesting, and that's why I ask. I keep an open mind, I form an opinion based on (hopefully) the least biased sources of information. There's a high chance someone out there is much more knowledgeable about this situation than I am.

I know there's more to this war than Russia randomly building up troops to invade Ukraine and I don't buy the Nazi narrative. I did go down a rabbit hole one night about the Nazism in the former Ukrainian government(Azov). I recall at the start of the war seeing all of the war footage on funker530 but then raising a brow noticing the upload dates 1-3 before the war even started. Then I remembered 2014..

So what is this all really about? At first I thought resource control. In a previous thread, I pointed out recent double digit ton coal contracts with India and China. The Donetsk Coal Basis with an estimated 40 billion tons of coal.

What about the idea of Putin trying to reunite the old Soviet Union? Is there any truth to this or is this just another conspiracy? Can anyone tell me why this is going on?

The wars fought by Nato (allies) since the collapse of the USSR were benign or positive for the world according to “the global community” and its puppets/trolls. No civilians were ever harmed, no terrorists were ever armed.
Russia is crazy for being afraid of nato. Nato is peaceful.
Because you were taught that, you will never understand any other perspective. That’s basically this entire thread

From the 90s, all scholars about this subject, western intelligence, (former) western leaders have been warning what would happen if nato kept expanding.

Russia however is not defending itself, Russia is crazy for thinking nato would ever cause any harm, Russia just wants to restore the soviet empire and kill as many civilians as possible in the process. Also Putin is hitler. And I think that is about it? Oh I forgot; Russians are evil and should never be trusted by anyone. Unless they have Ukrainian passports in which case they are upstanding peaceful citizens who would never in their life follow any far right extremism.
Unless the citizens live in separatists regions, in which case they are the Nazis and the Ukrainian government should be allowed to wage war against them.

I think that about covers everything