[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Rfneimad ↗

ISW is really good, they disagreed with US YPG policy. They seemed to be annoyed Azov held out so long. Everyday it was like, Mariupol, tomorrow it's gonna fall and then the next issue it was like those fuckers are still there dammit!

Jomini is better though, he seems to have some real connections and has the sexiest maps. And I love this new OMG term.

"6/ The Russian MoD allocated a small operational maneuver group (OMG) of its most capable forces to punch through the secondary Popasna defensive line and exploit this breach toward Soladar in the west and Lysychansik to the north, likely with the intent of forming a cauldron."

I read some of this Jomini guys stuff on Twitter. Seems pretty solid.

This crazy broad on Russian TV, however Even the guys in the room are like what drugs are you on...?

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I read some of this Jomini guys stuff on Twitter. Seems pretty solid.

This crazy broad on Russian TV, however Even the guys in the room are like what drugs are you on...?

For Russian propaganda term “War” is not gonna work. People see in “war” and SMO two different things. I feel like if Putin would have said “we declare a war against Ukraine” he would get less support. But SMO term play along with their narrative on TV. Such as “we are saving you from NAZIs”

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

For Russian propaganda term “War” is not gonna work. People see in “war” and SMO two different things. I feel like if Putin would have said “we declare a war against Ukraine” he would get less support. But SMO term play along with their narrative on TV. Such as “we are saving you from NAZIs”

Yeah, you can put lipstick on a pig... but it's still a pig. At least the smart ones understand this

[Faust]

War is when you also kill the civilians, a SMO is when you evacuate them and provide food for them, at least that is my 50 cent

[Rfneimad]

SMO is someone else going to war while I dance around in my underwear watching WarGonzo on tiny flatscreen in shitty apartment after uncle Yura piss himself, War is I have to put my pants on and go to war.

[pervM]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Russia had freedom of speech and still has it.

No, sorry but you don't. The moment your government violently stopped demonstrations of Opposition Parties and called them terrorists, you no longer had freedom of speech. If your political Opposition members have to escape outside Russia, then obviously there is no freedom of speech in your country.

2nd, the ban on homosexuals on media, the first time EU sanctioned Russia severely, way before Ukraine war.

3rd, critics of Putin mysteriously keep falling off balconies and getting radioactive isotopes in their morning coffees.

4th, now Russia just approved a law where serious criticism of government actions during wars can land you 15 years in prison.

There is no freedom of speech in Russia, similar to China. If you claim otherwise, either you do not know what the term actually means, or you are just straight up lying.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Lmao ain’t that an example.
Russia had freedom of speech and still has it.

Okay now you're just being silly. There is no way you actually believe that

[duntez]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

No, sorry but you don't. The moment your government violently stopped demonstrations of Opposition Parties and called them terrorists, you no longer had freedom of speech. If your political Opposition members have to escape outside Russia, then obviously there is no freedom of speech in your country.

2nd, the ban on homosexuals on media, the first time EU sanctioned Russia severely, way before Ukraine war.

3rd, critics of Putin mysteriously keep falling off balconies and getting radioactive isotopes in their morning coffees.

4th, now Russia just approved a law where serious criticism of government actions during wars can land you 15 years in prison.

There is no freedom of speech in Russia, similar to China. If you claim otherwise, either you do not know what the term actually means, or you are just straight up lying.

1. Who from opposition ran away and been chased down by government? Which demonstrations were stopped more violently the “yellow jackets” in France for instance? Or all famous “Occupy wall street”

2. Homosexuals is just a bad example. You have to look at the culture in general. If It didn’t get ban I’m pretty sure Russia would have another demonstration against it. There is no need for this propaganda on TV or in schools.

3. A lot of people have died during 90s and 00s. For the most part I think of it as political games for power. Only Litvinenko case looks legit to me, but even then, I always look what he was killed for. Ex KGB who after retirement trashed agency and said that buildings in Russia were blown up by FSB in order to get peoples support to invade Chechnya for the second time. ( kind of like towers in NY and Iraq invasion). Well damn, they were actually airing that on TV long time before him. So idk, weak reason to get killed.

4. Russia did, so did Ukraine. It’s a war between two identical countries ( peoplewise) this war is a war for minds of people and not for some oil on another half of the planet. That’s why Zelenskiy closed 4 TV opposition channels ( before invasion), that’s why he closed over 10 political parties ( BTW he did it against constitution) Russia did too ( didn’t touch political parties). I personally don’t support it and for the most part would agree with you, but how would I act if I was in their shoes idk.

When I said free speech I meant regular citizens and not some big political games. US was on a hunt for citizen of Australia even, why? What’s going on with project Veritas?..

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

1. Who from opposition ran away and been chased down by government? Which demonstrations were stopped more violently the “yellow jackets” in France for instance? Or all famous “Occupy wall street”

2. Homosexuals is just a bad example. You have to look at the culture in general. If It didn’t get ban I’m pretty sure Russia would have another demonstration against it. There is no need for this propaganda on TV or in schools.

3. A lot of people have died during 90s and 00s. For the most part I think of it as political games for power. Only Litvinenko case looks legit to me, but even then, I always look what he was killed for. Ex KGB who after retirement trashed agency and said that buildings in Russia were blown up by FSB in order to get peoples support to invade Chechnya for the second time. ( kind of like towers in NY and Iraq invasion). Well damn, they were actually airing that on TV long time before him. So idk, weak reason to get killed.

4. Russia did, so did Ukraine. It’s a war between two identical countries ( peoplewise) this war is a war for minds of people and not for some oil on another half of the planet. That’s why Zelenskiy closed 4 TV opposition channels ( before invasion), that’s why he closed over 10 political parties ( BTW he did it against constitution) Russia did too ( didn’t touch political parties). I personally don’t support it and for the most part would agree with you, but how would I act if I was in their shoes idk.

When I said free speech I meant regular citizens and not some big political games. US was on a hunt for citizen of Australia even, why? What’s going on with project Veritas?..

Dude. Even though Ukraine certainly has banned some questionable things that doesn't mean Russia's citizens have freedom of speech. They very, very, clearly, do not. And now you're changing the subject, deflecting and making counter accusations as if that somehow means something. Just stop and be honest with yourself

[Faust]

Originally Posted by pervM ↗

No, sorry but you don't. The moment your government violently stopped demonstrations of Opposition Parties and called them terrorists, you no longer had freedom of speech. If your political Opposition members have to escape outside Russia, then obviously there is no freedom of speech in your country.

2nd, the ban on homosexuals on media, the first time EU sanctioned Russia severely, way before Ukraine war.

3rd, critics of Putin mysteriously keep falling off balconies and getting radioactive isotopes in their morning coffees.

4th, now Russia just approved a law where serious criticism of government actions during wars can land you 15 years in prison.

There is no freedom of speech in Russia, similar to China. If you claim otherwise, either you do not know what the term actually means, or you are just straight up lying.

Freedom convoy anyone?
There is no freedom of speech in America, similar to China. If you claim otherwise, either you do not know what the term actually means, or you are just straight up lying.