[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by silver bullet ↗

Whisky I would love to go on but Kellyhound, likely a fellow American pussy coward has punished me with a point deduction

Kelly do and say what you like, my thoughts on you and your American cock suckers won’t change.

I thought this place was independent and neutral. Clearly not and as with all media the brainless Yankees took over.

Aaand banned from this thread for derailing this thread and starting personal insults and therefore not following the guidelines stated in the OP.

[ride]

In case you guys are falling behind on your Western-Biased Media scrub:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/23/europ...cmd/index.html

[Rfneimad]

And now, for someone who actually seems to know what they are typing about, new Jomini dropped: https://twitter.com/JominiW

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Aaand banned from this thread for derailing this thread and starting personal insults and therefore not following the guidelines stated in the OP.

Promised to behave so he's back.

[ride]

*slowly strokes goatee* Ve shall zee...

[NF69]

Russia should be destroyed long ago.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 23

Key Takeaways

- Russian nationalist figures (including veterans and military commentators) are increasingly criticizing the failures of Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and are calling for further mobilization that the Kremlin likely remains unwilling and unable to pursue in the short term.

- Russian forces around Izyum increased their tempo of air and artillery strikes and likely intend to attempt to resume stalled offensive operations in the coming days.

- Russian operations to encircle Severodonetsk made minor gains in the past 24 hours, driving north through Zolote.

- Fighting is ongoing in Lyman (north of Severodonetsk) as Russian forces attempt to cut off Ukrainian supply lines

- Russian forces will likely make further minor gains west of Popasna in the near future but are unlikely to be able to quickly seize Bakhmut.

- The Ukrainian counteroffensive northeast of Kharkiv continues to threaten Russian positions and is forcing Russia to pull units from ongoing offensive operations in eastern Ukraine to shore up their defensive positions near Vovchansk.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MAY 23

Key Takeaways

- Russian nationalist figures (including veterans and military commentators) are increasingly criticizing the failures of Russia’s “special military operation” in Ukraine and are calling for further mobilization that the Kremlin likely remains unwilling and unable to pursue in the short term.

- Russian forces around Izyum increased their tempo of air and artillery strikes and likely intend to attempt to resume stalled offensive operations in the coming days.

- Russian operations to encircle Severodonetsk made minor gains in the past 24 hours, driving north through Zolote.

- Fighting is ongoing in Lyman (north of Severodonetsk) as Russian forces attempt to cut off Ukrainian supply lines

- Russian forces will likely make further minor gains west of Popasna in the near future but are unlikely to be able to quickly seize Bakhmut.

- The Ukrainian counteroffensive northeast of Kharkiv continues to threaten Russian positions and is forcing Russia to pull units from ongoing offensive operations in eastern Ukraine to shore up their defensive positions near Vovchansk.

Thanks for posting these, not shooting the messenger. Did they ever mention a single word about the Azov surrender? That should tell you if it’s fake news, or something with value

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Thanks for posting these, not shooting the messenger. Did they ever mention a single word about the Azov surrender? That should tell you if it’s fake news, or something with value

Oh they did, a few days back I think. Might have been on more than one report.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

On May 17th the ISW said: "Mariupol defenders trapped in the Azovstal Steel Plant likely surrendered after Ukrainian officials negotiated evacuation measures with the Kremlin."

On May 18th they said: "Russian and proxy authorities in Mariupol are struggling to establish coherent administrative control of the city."

On May 20 they said: "Russian sources may be overstating the number of Ukrainian defenders who have been evacuated from Azovstal to either maximize the number of Russian prisoners of war who may be exchanged for Ukrainian soldiers or to avoid the embarrassment of admitting they have been locked into a months-long siege against only “hundreds” of Ukrainian soldiers."

Kind of unclear, they seem to use "surrender" and "evacuate" interchangeably. When all this was happening I was being told that most of the buses ended up in Ukraine with two going to the DNR. It would seem now that all of them went to the DNR but Azov and UN got some guys at Azovstal out to Ukraine in the days before this happened. From what I can gather, the ones that were "smuggled" out to Ukraine were some particularly valuable guys, valuable to Russia if captured.