[ride]

Russia. Objectives. You. Type. Post.

Clear enough for ya?

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by silver bullet ↗

Of course. You take one minute out of months of the same channel reporting and extrapolate it as gospel. So so desperate

The only things desperate here are people like you who clearly have their heads in the sand.

Again, you've missed my point. The fact that Russia is even allowing this to be spoken on TV means the Kremlin is testing public reaction to what the Colonel is saying, because the writing is on the wall that the invasion has failed. They're potentially planning an exit. They did something similar before Russia left Afganistan in shame.

The failed invasion was well obvious far before this guy said it on Russian TV.

I know you're opinionated and emotional but reading comprehension is a skill adults should have

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by silver bullet ↗

What are you talking about?

Ride has a point. You get all wrapped-around-the-axle about something particular or mundane and just knee-jerk react to it, shooting your mouth off and never going into depth. This is a discussion thread.

I'm not sure why you're so pro-Russia/anti-Ukraine but I have an idea why. Maybe you can explain it, in detail.

[ride]

That was the most coherent answer you have provided. It actually makes sense that in order to feed the industrial war machine, weapons must exchange hands, however; that may be a reason why pro-Ukraine countries are shipping weapons to UKR forces, but it isn't the only reason. If the US is sending weapons packages to Ukraine, I don't think it is to combat inflation, since we are using taxpayer dollars to procure weapons that weren't already in the stockpile. If it is in consideration of future political favors or alliances, that is something I cannot speak to. WAAAAAAY above my pay grade. I can only speculate, and that is what this thread is for - spirited debate without the bullshit.

I can pledge to keep it sane, but I need that in turn from you, Mr. Bullet. I'll listen to anything you have to say as long as personal accusations and attacks are kept to an absolute minimum.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by silver bullet ↗

How can you claim something has failed if you don’t know the objectives? This is laughable.

Failure is USA and UK in Afghanistan after 20 years!

The only thing that will guarantee an exit is once Europe has sold their old unwanted weaponry to Ukraine and in turn USA has sold their last weaponry to Europe. Once those payments have exchanged hands the war will stop and the West will claim Russia has failed in their objectives. Ukraine is a coin/pawn in this transaction. USA is the only one profiting, as always, no direct war for them so they are making money to combat inflation. Germany has already started paying for gas in rubles despite all the posturing and we are in May, nowhere near winter. I give it 6 months maximum and I know USA wants to stop the weapons trading by the end of June. Not long left.

Lmao. As predicted, deflect and change the subject.

It's clear as day Russia tried a regime change by trying to take Kyiv and dismantling Ukraine's leadership. Sound initial plans but executed miserably. They took massive losses, got bogged down by awful logistics, retreated and then sent their already fucked up units over to the east where they figured they'd have more success. Now that's failing. 9 Generals dead and countless mid and junior grade officers.

In case you've been paying attention, you'd know that Izyum won't be in Russian hands for long (Russia is redeploying those units north) and Kharkiv is mostly out of Russian artillery range now. Some Ukranian units are possibly within 10km of the Russian border for christ sake.

A modern invasion needs to be quick and decisive before the enemy has a chance to get his pants on, regardless of war objectives. They are failing. I could go on. Fun fact: Ukranian military units have been training with US and NATO units since the early 90's. Russia is far too xenophobic to do anything of the sort.

What are the objectives, silver? What is this crystal ball you've been hiding in your closet?

You are embarrassing yourself.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by DrKGSmiff ↗

Dude, your history is the twisted one.

People keep making silly statements about how “Ukraine sided with the Nazis”, when, really, it was roughly half of Ukrainians who did…after the Nazis invaded.

You know who else sided with the Nazis? Russia. Fucking all of it.

How did the Molotov-Von Ribbentrop Pact get left out of your understanding of WWII. Stalin didn’t just agree to non-aggression with Hitler, he collaborated. Hitler and Stalin agreed to divide up Eastern Europe amongst themselves, including each taking half of Poland. As part of that division, Russia invaded and occupied Ukraine (SSR) just two years before the Nazis did, and “the Ukrainians” supposedly collaborated with them.

The timeline is significant. The Ukrainians supposedly sided with the Nazis in 1941.

Just 22 years before that, Communist insurgents from Russia infected Ukraine with communism, taking over their government.

Just 9 years before the supposed Nazi collaboration, Stalin’s Holodomor starved millions of Ukrainians to death. Some estimates put Stalin murdering more Ukrainians than Hitler did Jews; Just 9 years in the past.

Just 2 years before the Nazis invaded Ukraine, RUSSIA DID.

So, fuck your stupid “butbutbut the Youcranes helped tha Nazees” bullshit.

Try to be less ignorant.

Forgive me if I’m wrong.
1. Russia officially admitted that pact Molotov-Rebetropp was a mistake and did not represent interest of all USSR people. It was a political game of those who was in charge of that time. Poland got their independence after WW1. Before that Lands of modern Poland were split between German Empire, Austria-Hungary and Russian Empire. Russia lost those lands after ww1 and I assume communist wanted to get it back.
2. Holodomor wasn’t a genocide of Ukrainians, many people died because of starvation within other southern parts of USSR. Internal Repressions took more lifes then golodomor. Done by Gergian born Stallin.
3. All Ukraine couldn’t collaborate with Nazis due to complicated history of Ukraine where eastern parts just couldn’t do it due to close ties with Russia.
4. Saying Ukrainians collaborated with Nazi is wrong. Bandera did and those who followed him at that time. On a side note if you ever read Kuznetsov “Babij Yar” you would know that thousands of Jewish families and then later on Ukrainians and Russians were executed by Ukrainians from western Ukraine. Policia were also consisted of western Ukranians, who was taking food from locals and so on. I assume eastern Ukranians to them were nothing but garbage.
5. Ukraine was part of Russian Empire, when revolution occurred and communists took power. Ukraine became communist state for understandable reasons.
6. Russia had their own Nazi collaborator Vlasov. Unlike Bandera in Ukraine, he was captured by Russians and executed for his crimes. And needless to say that no one in Russia would suggest to make a hero out of him, like Ukraine did with Bandera, Shuhevich.

Can we please move this to discussion section porfavor lol


Forgot to mention. Members of UPA ( Bendera) killed roughly around 50,000-100,000 ( kids, women. Women were raped, people were tortured , dismembered etc) Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia. Now that’s what I call genocide. Women were raped, killed, kids … dismembered .. they were trying to free lands for the future Ukrainian state. With this being said, I have no fucking clue how in the fucking hell this mother fucker Bandera can be their hero?! Ridiculous .

[zickus99]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Now I feel really embarrassed for them

Only now do you start to feel embarrasment? God damn thats a high tolerance, probably used to it

[duntez]

Originally Posted by zickus99 ↗

Only now do you start to feel embarrasment? God damn thats a high tolerance, probably used to it

All slavik people have a high tolerance to anything, something you will never experience in your life, cry baby

[pastinho]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

All slavik people have a high tolerance to anything, something you will never experience in your life, cry baby

This "high tolerance" is particularly evident in Russians, as can be seen from suicide statistics. In the top 20 countries in the World, only 3 european countries, all 3 of them have the highest number of ethnic Russians of all countries (let's treat 3 countries Baltica as one region). None of them even have universal access to firearms - if so and covid the world population of Russians decline would probably be 25%

[duntez]

Originally Posted by pastinho ↗

This "high tolerance" is particularly evident in Russians, as can be seen from suicide statistics. In the top 20 countries in the World, only 3 european countries, all 3 of them have the highest number of ethnic Russians of all countries (let's treat 3 countries Baltica as one region). None of them even have universal access to firearms - as a result of this and covid the world population of Russians decline would probably be 25%

If ur looking at this numbers then you should think of quality living differences. I can only imaging what rates US would have