[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

No. Hamas is. Every single death in this conflict is on Hamas.

Hamas fought their battles from children's bedrooms, apartments, schools and hospitals. Koran says innocents who are killed sheltering Jihad fighters earn 30% martyr status. So Hamas brings glory to the "murdered" children, who are better off in the afterlife as 30% martyrs. Palestine = PLO = Hamas = ISIS.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

Am I wrong? Look what's going on with hamas and doghmush

Yes, you’re wrong.

Polls show that only about 11 percent of Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, and even Israeli military data indicates roughly 75 percent of detained Gazans aren’t fighters, so the majority have no ties to Hamas or Doghmush. Even the Israeli government is saying most of them are just normal people, and you still don’t believe it.

These recent clashes are nothing more than groups fighting for power while the region is vulnerable. That still doesn’t mean the general population is part of either group. The same logic applies in America with extremist militias, or historically with the IRA or the Taliban.

To label an entire people based on a few is lazy, emotionally driven, and worst of all, an inherently dangerous way of thinking. History is full of terrible people who did atrocious things to entire groups because they thought the same way.

From the first source:

To go from this to justifying killing innocent Palestinian civilians because “all Palestinians are Hamas” and therefore responsible for their actions is both racist and unsupported by facts. By the way, it is the same despicable “logic” used who by those who justify killing innocent Israelis because of the hideous actions of their government and military.

[Vincentsdream]

The logic of "Every Palestinian is a terrorist." Or "Every Israeli is a zionist baby murderer." Is why we are even here. Both sides view the other side as entirely the enemy. Its why this shit will never end. Both sides are indoctrinated to literally celebrate children being murdered. The major difference is one side is capable of genocide and the other isnt.

If you support the whole slaughter of gazans regardless of age or participation. There is no point discussing anything.

[akyan]

Well, I read some where saying Hamas refuses to disarm after agreeing to. With the hostages returned...... not abying by the ceasefire to the letter is what I call a deathwish.

[v1r]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Yes, you’re wrong.

Polls show that only about 11 percent of Palestinians in Gaza support Hamas, and even Israeli military data indicates roughly 75 percent of detained Gazans aren’t fighters, so the majority have no ties to Hamas or Doghmush. Even the Israeli government is saying most of them are just normal people, and you still don’t believe it.

These recent clashes are nothing more than groups fighting for power while the region is vulnerable. That still doesn’t mean the general population is part of either group. The same logic applies in America with extremist militias, or historically with the IRA or the Taliban.

To label an entire people based on a few is lazy, emotionally driven, and worst of all, an inherently dangerous way of thinking. History is full of terrible people who did atrocious things to entire groups because they thought the same way.

From the first source:

No point in arguing with delusion. Time will tell.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

No point in arguing with delusion. Time will tell.

Listen, I mean no disrespect in what I’m about to say, and I’m genuinely not trying to argue with you. I know you have friends from Israel who have been directly affected by all of this, and I fully understand why you feel the way you do. But I have to set emotion aside and speak honestly.

Even Israel’s own data says most Palestinians aren’t terrorists. These violent clans and terrorist groups are summarily executing their own citizens who don’t follow their ideals, often for “collaborating with Israel,” which is another clear sign that not all Palestinians are terrorists. The terrorists are even proving my point.

For the record, if you were claiming all Israelis were evil, war mongering terrorists because of their government’s actions, I’d be calling that out too. The same principle applies everywhere when logic, not emotion, leads the thinking.

So yes, I agree, there’s no point in arguing with delusion. When one ignores facts from the very country they favor, the terrorists themselves, and the evidence right in front of their face, that isn’t reason or objectivity. It’s delusion born from fear and emotion. We are not at our intellectual or rational best when operating from either.

But again, I get it.

[v1r]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Listen, I mean no disrespect in what I’m about to say, and I’m genuinely not trying to argue with you. I know you have friends from Israel who have been directly affected by all of this, and I fully understand why you feel the way you do. But I have to set emotion aside and speak honestly.

Even Israel’s own data says most Palestinians aren’t terrorists. These violent clans and terrorist groups are summarily executing their own citizens who don’t follow their ideals, often for “collaborating with Israel,” which is another clear sign that not all Palestinians are terrorists. The terrorists are even proving my point.

For the record, if you were claiming all Israelis were evil, war mongering terrorists because of their government’s actions, I’d be calling that out too. The same principle applies everywhere when logic, not emotion, leads the thinking.

So yes, I agree, there’s no point in arguing with delusion. When one ignores facts from the very country they favor, the terrorists themselves, and the evidence right in front of their face, that isn’t reason or objectivity. It’s delusion born from fear and emotion. We are not at our intellectual or rational best when operating from either.

But again, I get it.

There is a clear distinction in who is a terrorist and who is not. Whatever mumbojumbo you say about the Palestinian people means absolute shit when they support terrorists.

[v1r]

Palestinians can live in Israel without being killed. Israelis can not live in Palestine without being killed. There is a clear distinction. You are delusional to say otherwise.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

There is a clear distinction in who is a terrorist and who is not. Whatever mumbojumbo you say about the Palestinian people means absolute shit when they support terrorists.

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

Palestinians can live in Israel without being killed. Israelis can not live in Palestine without being killed. There is a clear distinction. You are delusional to say otherwise.

This is what I mean. There’s no point in discussing anything with you because you’re not willing to consider anything outside your own perceptions. That’s confirmation bias at its finest, ignoring facts that don’t fit your narrative. At least I’m taking your points, thinking them through, and countering them with facts.

There are no Israelis living in Palestinian-controlled areas because Israel forbids it, not because every Palestinian would kill them. You can’t know the intent of every person in Palestine. That’s just not realistic. Assumptions are not fact.

Jews and Palestinians lived side by side before Israel became a state. When it was created in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were displaced, but about 150,000 stayed. Their families are the Palestinians who still live there today.

The fact that Palestinians live in Israel is proof they’re not all terrorists. If they were, Israel wouldn’t allow it.

You keep saying there’s a clear distinction, yet your own words prove you can’t make one. At this point, you’re not debating facts, you’re defending feelings. So yeah, have a good rest of your day.

[v1r]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

This is what I mean. There’s no point in discussing anything with you because you’re not willing to consider anything outside your own perceptions. That’s confirmation bias at its finest, ignoring facts that don’t fit your narrative. At least I’m taking your points, thinking them through, and countering them with facts.

There are no Israelis living in Palestinian-controlled areas because Israel forbids it, not because every Palestinian would kill them. You can’t know the intent of every person in Palestine. That’s just not realistic. Assumptions are not fact.

Jews and Palestinians lived side by side before Israel became a state. When it was created in 1948, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians fled or were displaced, but about 150,000 stayed. Their families are the Palestinians who still live there today.

The fact that Palestinians live in Israel is proof they’re not all terrorists. If they were, Israel wouldn’t allow it.

You keep saying there’s a clear distinction, yet your own words prove you can’t make one. At this point, you’re not debating facts, you’re defending feelings. So yeah, have a good rest of your day.

You are assuming a whole lot Karen. "Defending feelings". Quit being so active in supporting terrorists. All deaths in this conflict is on the hands of Hamas. Sure my ALL PALESTINIANS is hyperbolic there will always be good people. You will never change your view or your support of terrorists its clear. The delusion is crazy. I will never stop calling out people who kisses the ass of Hamas the UN or the Red Cross.