[M.F.D.B.]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

Have you seen the full video ? Did you see what they dropped on the cage while he was on fire ? If not, they used a bulldozer shovel to dump about 3 tonnes of shit on him. That is what is around him in the photo.

Ok, so the dead guy lifted his head up for them to place the burned out bench seat under, seems legit.

Gasoline burns just fine when poured on sand, trust me. There is no such thing as "slow burning explosive liquid", please take my word for it. I have a background in rocket propulsion and pyrotechnics/explosives. Peroxide oxidizer like you mention is a totally different animal than you think it is. Google T-stoff and Z-stoff.

The simple answer is the photo isn't the dead pilot, someone has their info mixed up, that's all. I think people are incorrectly assuming I think this was faked, its certainly real, but the "aftermath" photo is a car accident or more likely military vehicle hit by heavy fire or RPG...

[spycosis]

Fair enough, but I still disagree. The photo was posted by Chris, the owner of the website, and I trust him to source his material properly.
On the subject of explosives, I didn't suggest a liquid had been used, indeed in the video, the fuse appears to be an off-white crystalline powder. What this is I do not know, and I trust also the fact that you have experience in this issue. I do not.

However I do have a knowledge of chemistry, and have seen the flame typical from gasoline fires, and that fuse did not burn with a typical gasoline flame.
Also ( I am not suggesting C4 was used) there are materials such as c4 plastic explosive that do not explode, but rather burn when ignited, especially when unconfined. Many explosive materials have this property, as you should well know.
Acetone peroxide will behave this way and the burn rate can be manipulated by altering the pH of the medium it is in.
IS have obviously got a team of entry-level chemists with them to create the huge bombs they are using.
So I draw my own conclusions.

And this bench that you refer to that is in the cage ? I presume the car that he was 'obviously' in had a bench to sit on instead of normal car seats ? Is that what you are trying to say ? Or have you stopped with the theory that it is from a car crash ?

I already pointed out that he had a shovel full of rubble tipped on him. Which probably came from the ruins of a house. That's why there is all kinds of shit in the cage with him. You can even clearly see the bars of the cage in the photograph at the correct thickness and spacing compared to the cage the pilot was burned in.

I don't deal in certainties of which I cannot know. Therefore I say, this photo is probably genuine.
However you insist otherwise, claiming that this is definitely not the pilot, and whilst I respect your opinion, I am somewhat suspicious when people claim to know something that they cannot know.
You may be right. But I feel the weight of evidence falls heavily on the contention that this is the pilot.

[Oswald2001]

1.) Pour some gasoline in a spot on some dirt or sand.

2.) Pour a 'trail' of gasoline leading away from that spot.

3.) Light the end of that 'trail' of gasoline with a torch.



You will see the exact same combustion behavior as on the video.


There is no 'second shooter'.

There is no 'grassy knoll'.

There are no mysteries or conspiracies.

There is nothing 'unseen'.

[M.F.D.B.]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

1.) Pour some gasoline in a spot on some dirt or sand.

2.) Pour a 'trail' of gasoline leading away from that spot.

3.) Light the end of that 'trail' of gasoline with a torch.



You will see the exact same combustion behavior as on the video.


There is no 'second shooter'.

There is no 'grassy knoll'.

There are no mysteries or conspiracies.

There is nothing 'unseen'.

I'm sure you weren't pointing that only at me, as stated, since the beginning, I have said this video was real...

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by M.F.D.B. ↗

I'm sure you weren't pointing that only at me, as stated, since the beginning, I have said this video was real...

Yes.

It is pointed at you.

Only you.

In fact, it is written in Internet Sooper Sekrit Compooter Invisible Ink so that only you can see it.

I had to secure some of the rare only remaining KGB stocks to post here.

Incredible, but true.

[M.F.D.B.]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Yes.

It is pointed at you.

Only you.

In fact, it is written in Internet Sooper Sekrit Compooter Invisible Ink so that only you can see it.

I had to secure some of the rare only remaining KGB stocks to post here.

Incredible, but true.

Now I know you are trolling as I own 100% of the remaining KGB stockpile...

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by M.F.D.B. ↗

Now I know you are trolling as I own 100% of the remaining KGB stockpile...

I'm caught!

[M.F.D.B.]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

Fair enough, but I still disagree. The photo was posted by Chris, the owner of the website, and I trust him to source his material properly.

I certainly never claimed otherwise?

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

On the subject of explosives, I didn't suggest a liquid had been used, indeed in the video, the fuse appears to be an off-white crystalline powder. What this is I do not know, and I trust also the fact that you have experience in this issue. I do not.

Honestly my guess is petrol soaked sawdust to sedately show a trace of where the fire would go. To keep the bg's safe and to position cameras.

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

And this bench that you refer to that is in the cage ? I presume the car that he was 'obviously' in had a bench to sit on instead of normal car seats ? Is that what you are trying to say ? Or have you stopped with the theory that it is from a car crash ?

I never said "this was obviously a car crash". Yes I do believe the background debris to be automotive. Most cars have a bench seat in the rear, well at least in America, do you disagree? IF this was a car driver "would be suicide bomber" (just as an example) and he was gunned down before "lighting off". Then its easy to believe the explosive material could have ignited (sparks, tracers, etc. etc.) and burned very hot instead of exploding.

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

I already pointed out that he had a shovel full of rubble tipped on him. Which probably came from the ruins of a house. That's why there is all kinds of shit in the cage with him. You can even clearly see the bars of the cage in the photograph at the correct thickness and spacing compared to the cage the pilot was burned in.

I still have not heard your theory on how his head was neatly propped on top of said "debris" if it was in fact dumped on top of him? Theory?

How is the body burned so badly, yet undamaged once uncovered from under hundreds of pounds of debris?

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

I don't deal in certainties of which I cannot know. Therefore I say, this photo is probably genuine.

We can agree to disagree no?

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

However you insist otherwise, claiming that this is definitely not the pilot, and whilst I respect your opinion, I am somewhat suspicious when people claim to know something that they cannot know.

I could say the same in the contrary, disagree?

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

You may be right. But I feel the weight of evidence falls heavily on the contention that this is the pilot.

As much as I respect your opposition, I am quite certain this photo is not the same vic.

Watch the full video and pay attention to the vic's condition when he collapses rearward to the ground at the "end" of his life (he is flat on the ground with ZERO debris under him). The liquids dripping off his head, and the fact he still has a mostly intact face (he covered his face much of the time and still had eyes and such left). Then pause it and look at the photo. The level of burn damage (missing eyes, exposed teeth and ribs, organs, etc. etc. is FAR in excess of the condition the pilot was in when they dumped the debris on him to, "put our the flames".

In my mind its as simple as 2 + 2 = 4, but I don't expect others to see it my way. It is what it is...

[warioman91]

you can see the whole vid here: http://video.foxnews.com/v/403058397...#sp=show-clips

the apparent reason for this choice of death was to make him suffer the way he bombed others. earlier in the vid they show isis-sided dead or hurt people who were bombed. so they had him heated up like a bomb explosion and then wrecked building debris on him

[fcbayern]

Does foxnews work together with ISIS? Why do they show this vision?