[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

If 100 tanks are a game changer then how many would you guess are left? If 10 F16s are be a game changer then how many fighter jets are left?

Btw 100 tanks would be 3% of what they initially had. Omg what a game changer!

You said earlier the "entire" arsenal of Ukraine. Do I sense a bit of backtracking now?

[skich]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Russia gaining land after all is said and done is merely a byproduct of Ukraine being promised Nato membership and Ukraine pissing over the Minsk agreements.

Also I listen to US analysts and academics, and I know how to have google only display results up to 1-1-2022 so I can find every BBC report on Ukrainian neo nazis which you now claim are russian propaganda

Russia said they would invade Ukraine if no other option was left and to the last moment they tried to negotiate. When Zelensky was on TV asking for nuclear weapons for Ukraine to use against Russia you knew the Ukraine was going to be absolutely destroyed. But that is a lie because Ukraine won and is not destroyed and Russia lost so I don’t see any point in arguing

Both Ukraine and Russia pissed on Minsk agreement, lets get that shit straight right away.

The fact that Russia (and the likes of you) thinks they can tell OTHER SOVEREIGN countries what to do, what organizations they can be part of, what languages should be tought in schools, what parties and politicians in government while demanding others to respect their internal affairs is just fucking comedy. How about this, Russia has no fucking business telling another sovereign state and its peoples what to do? Or they can and they can tell them "where to go". (involves fornication with one self).

Where is the part where I say Ukrainian neo nazis are Russian propoganda? Can you quote me on that? or you love those strawmans so much? News flash Faust ol' boy, neo nazis are literally everywhere, Russia including. And also in the ranks of military. Militant ultra nationalists are usually positively looked upon in military, because who else loves their country so much? I could, if I wasn't so lazy, post a bunch of pics and videos of REGULAR Russian military soldiers having nazi tattoos. Are they hipsters who got them ironically? Wasn't one of the key reasons for invasion de-nazification? Then why did Russians let nazis go? They literally freed self-proclaimed nazis and people with nazi tattoos.

The thing is Faust, you can twist and turn, huff and puff, but Russia fucked themselves over when they decided to invade Ukraine.

A nuke or two on Kremlin would do the world (or at the very least Russias neighbours) a lot of good. OK. MOAB might not be enough.

Russia promised to respect the borders of Ukraine if they gave up the nukes. Did they not?

As for NATO "expansion", I would not call it expansion. EX-Soviet states and neighbours of Russia do not want the "loving" embrace of the red bear. Russia is like an abusive partner. They just don't fucking get it. You Faust don't fucking get it.

You never will get it, and it is sad, because it makes me think your IQ depends on the room temperature you are in.

IDGAF if I insult you or not. You protect an invasive force. ALL INVADERS MUST DIE! Every. Single. One.
And shills like you, while protected by the laws you shit on, should be sent to Ukraine to rebuild it after the cancer is exterminated.

And before you start "whatabouting" , yes, when I mean all invaders must die, that would include Americans in ME.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Also, if you're referring to 100 western tanks being given to Ukraine from other countries being a "game changer", it won't be. Western sources have certainly cast doubt on this, stop trying to present all western media has having one voice. It doesn't. The sane ones know 100 Leopard tanks or 100 Abrams tanks is not a game changer.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Faust is an odd one. He seems to highly exaggerate and generalize what some western media say about things and he makes the enormous leap that all Ukraine supporters must believe all of this without question. This is your logic.

The world is a lot more complicated than that. But thinking is hard, right Faust? So just make everything black and white with no shades of grey in between. Shame on you.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Truly remarkable how Ukraine's "entire" arsenal got wiped out, yet still managed to defeat Russia's concentrated efforts on Kyiv, Sumy, Chernihiv, Kharkiv. Truly amazing, Faust.

It's almost as if you're... wrong.

We still see Ukrainian T-64BV/BM's, Ukrainian BTR-4's, Su-25 and Su-27's even a few MiG-29's. Even T-84's make appearances, one year after the war's start.

When you see these things, and weigh what's happened with anti-Ukraine propaganda, your bullshit meter should be going off. Yet you seem to champion the same long-debunked ridiculous Kremlin lines. Not very encouraging. You should be smarter than that

He's not ! Just a pro ruskie bot, Fausting !

[Kenco]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

If 100 tanks are a game changer then how many would you guess are left? If 10 F16s are be a game changer then how many fighter jets are left?

Btw 100 tanks would be 3% of what they initially had. Omg what a game changer!

Man... you really need to turn off the Russian State TV and stop listening to the likes of Solovyov. Russia presented themselves as a near-peer power prior to this war and have gotten their asses comically handed to them by a military with a fraction of the training western militaries would have on these western weapon systems. Not to mention, they've not even received state of the art stuff lol. Yes 100 tanks could make a difference because we're talking Leopards and Abrams etc. Generations more advanced than that pathetic Russian crap. Not likely a "game changer" per se, but not the same as 100 of the tanks they lost already, so it's a false equivalency. What was the kill ratio in Iraq with the Iraqi army using Russian tank tech? What a 1000 to 1? Russia can rattle their sabers all they want. The world knows now that they're nothing but a paper tiger. So, IF Ukraine decides to allow peace talks to commence with Russia, Putin would be smart to take that out and run with it. He can lie to his people some more about how it was some tactical victory or something like to has been. What he needs to be really careful with is pushing the United States too far. Activate Article 5 and the first guided smart munitions will be coming for him personally. There's nowhere he can hide, and he knows this.

[Abor]

If past conflicts are any indicators Russia will do whatever even if it means throwing bodies at the war. Western media doesn't report on the shortcomings or issues with the Ukrainian army. The largest being they forced conscription since last year and made it impossible to leave the country if you're a military eligible male. Or their lack of discipline and friendly fire issues. Or the fact 60k soldiers killed for Ukraine is a bigger burden than to Russia which has 3x the population.

The video of a group of Ukrainian solders blown up by Russian tanks from a few hundred feet away because they thought they were friendly demonstrates that disorganization.

But somehow Russia instating conscription is a sign of their weakness and losing? Putin could always nuke a couple small towns if it came to that. If anything Russia thinks they counterbalance Western Europe and Napoleon, Hitler, and now the US coalition are all threats to their civilization.

And if you look at US global actions since the 1990s the US is a giant neo-colonizer under the guise of freedom and democracy. Cause the US certainly doesn't care about either when it comes to Saudi Arabia, Israel, or shit hole countries. Only for strategically important footholds to counter emerging threats from China and historically Russia. It's also trying to game both Pakistan and India and figuring out which side it needs to be on.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Abor ↗

Western media doesn't report on the shortcomings or issues with the Ukrainian army.

So the several weeks of multiple mainstream western media sources saying that Ukraine is running out of anti air missiles doesn't count?

[xennex]

Originally Posted by skich ↗

Both Ukraine and Russia pissed on Minsk agreement, lets get that shit straight right away.

The fact that Russia (and the likes of you) thinks they can tell OTHER SOVEREIGN countries what to do, what organizations they can be part of, what languages should be tought in schools, what parties and politicians in government while demanding others to respect their internal affairs is just fucking comedy. How about this, Russia has no fucking business telling another sovereign state and its peoples what to do? Or they can and they can tell them "where to go". (involves fornication with one self).

Where is the part where I say Ukrainian neo nazis are Russian propoganda? Can you quote me on that? or you love those strawmans so much? News flash Faust ol' boy, neo nazis are literally everywhere, Russia including. And also in the ranks of military. Militant ultra nationalists are usually positively looked upon in military, because who else loves their country so much? I could, if I wasn't so lazy, post a bunch of pics and videos of REGULAR Russian military soldiers having nazi tattoos. Are they hipsters who got them ironically? Wasn't one of the key reasons for invasion de-nazification? Then why did Russians let nazis go? They literally freed self-proclaimed nazis and people with nazi tattoos.

The thing is Faust, you can twist and turn, huff and puff, but Russia fucked themselves over when they decided to invade Ukraine.

A nuke or two on Kremlin would do the world (or at the very least Russias neighbours) a lot of good. OK. MOAB might not be enough.

Russia promised to respect the borders of Ukraine if they gave up the nukes. Did they not?

As for NATO "expansion", I would not call it expansion. EX-Soviet states and neighbours of Russia do not want the "loving" embrace of the red bear. Russia is like an abusive partner. They just don't fucking get it. You Faust don't fucking get it.

You never will get it, and it is sad, because it makes me think your IQ depends on the room temperature you are in.
shit on, should be sent to Ukraine to rebuild it after the cancer is exterminated.

+1 to all but the American ME "invaders".

[JBone2020]

Let's just consolidate this issue into laymen terms. Putin has a history with being sneaky invading into other countries. Under Bush I think it was Georgia. Under Barry Sota aka Obama it was I believe one of the Stan countries bordering China. (correct me if Im wrong)

The dude (Putin) is a psycho. Putin tried to pull the same shananigans with Trump administration and his mercenaries got droned.

Now with diaper Biden psycho Putin mass killing in Ukraine. Because of Nato / Minsk accords? Im positive there's more to the story.

Why is USA congress funnelling so much $$ into Ukraine? What is the protected interest? (sincere question because I do not know myself)

Why does Ukraine have a weirdo President who is on video dancing in gay biker chaps. (Its on video)

Why is diaper Biden so concerned about Trump not finding out about the deals in Ukraine that got exposed on audio tape? (attempt Trump impeachment for quid pro quo)

This entire war is highly suspicious. Im beside myself Putin is this dumb to fight a war with Ukraine using such a barbaric strategy. I always thought he was smart ... Now he's like Jack Nicholson psycho? Makes no sense.