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#195
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07-15-2023, 03:57 PM
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Re: 2023 Russian Civil War Mega Thread (Wagner vs. RF)
"A large convoy of cars and trucks with L/DPR license plates was spotted in Belarus. It is likely to be a convoy of the Wagner PMC, according to the monitoring group Belarusian Hayun. The convoy consists of at least 60 vehicles, including at least 10 trucks, three buses, UAZs and others. They are heading towards the town of Asipovichy. The vehicles are accompanied by Belarusian traffic police."
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#196
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07-15-2023, 04:17 PM
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Re: 2023 Russian Civil War Mega Thread (Wagner vs. RF)
"Putin gave an interview to Russian Ъ media about his meeting with Prigozhin and commanders of Wagner PMC on 29th June. Below is a translation. "I won’t forgive myself if I don’t ask one more question,” I said. “There are many versions of why you met with Wagner PMC on June 29th. At the NATO summit, this was actively discussed, they have their own version, I, for example, have my own ... And what version do you have?" "What version can I have?" asked Vladimir Putin. "I don't have a version. I have what actually happened. It may be your version or NATO's version." “Tell me then what really happened,” I suggested. "What really happened?" Vladimir Putin asked again. “Everything is very simple and obvious for the Russian society. Ordinary Wagner fighters fought with dignity, so ... The fact that they were drawn into these events is regrettable ... I will say this, very neatly ..." Of course, he wanted to meet with them, with the commanders of PMC, whose fighters fought with dignity. Not with Yevgeny Prigozhin, but with them, first of all. It was evident that he really wanted to express himself neatly. "On the one hand, at a meeting with them, I gave an assessment of what they did on the battlefield, and on the other hand, what they did during the events of June 24th. Third, I showed them possible options for their further service, including combat use. That's all." And they finished in three hours. "Can we assume, I asked, "that Wagner PMC will remain as a combat unit? "Well, Wagner PMC does not exist!" Vladimir Putin exclaimed. "We don't have a law on private military organizations! It just doesn't exist!" So if there is no law, then there is no PMC. And what was it then? "There is no such legal entity," Vladimir Putin explained. Here he seemed to be speaking like a lawyer. It was understandable. "There is a group, but legally does not exist!" the president repeated. "This is a separate issue related to real legalization. But this is a question that should be discussed in the State Duma, in the government. Difficult question." Later, Vladimir Putin shared with me a story from that meeting. At it, he offered the Wagner commanders, who, the president confirmed, were 35 people at the meeting (“Well, here you are in the Kremlin,” he told them), several employment options, including under the guidance of their immediate commander with callsign Seda. That is, the man under whose command the Wagner fighters have served for the last 16 months. “They could all gather in one place and continue to serve,” Vladimir Putin said. “And nothing would have changed for them. They would be led by the same person who had been their real commander all along." And then? “Many nodded when I said this,” Vladimir Putin continued. “And Prigozhin, who was sitting in front and did not see this, said after listening: 'No, the guys do not agree with this decision.' " The story of the Wagner PMC, without a doubt, plowed through Vladimir Putin. Even if he doesn't agree with that.""
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