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Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Yeah I am reading reports of close to 1000 UKR casualties daily and I think it is so disrespectful that their media and twitter army is like “lol we are just probing, wait for the real offensive this ain’t shit we not even trying russia so weak lol” a large percentage of their casualties are indeed people pulled of the streets, people forced to fight for a regime which decisions they don’t even stand behind. So while looking at the supposed actual numbers I have an understanding that the counteroffensive is failing to the point of them halting it and their unsustainable losses, it does not make me happy in the slightest, no matter the goal. So RIP to all those soldiers

I’m afraid Wagner would not be fighting using Russian rules

They're taking territory every day it would seem. Imagine this: attackers take casualties. Mind blowing

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Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Yeah I am reading reports of close to 1000 UKR casualties daily and I think it is so disrespectful that their media and twitter army is like “lol we are just probing, wait for the real offensive this ain’t shit we not even trying russia so weak lol” a large percentage of their casualties are indeed people pulled of the streets, people forced to fight for a regime which decisions they don’t even stand behind. So while looking at the supposed actual numbers I have an understanding that the counteroffensive is failing to the point of them halting it and their unsustainable losses, it does not make me happy in the slightest, no matter the goal. So RIP to all those soldiers



I’m afraid Wagner would not be fighting using Russian rules

You can say the exact same thing for the other side.

The high casualty rate.

so disrespectful that their media and twitter army is saying everything is going according to plan.

a large percentage of their casualties are indeed people pulled of the streets, people forced to fight for a regime which decisions they don’t even stand behind.

So while looking at the supposed actual numbers I have an understanding that the special military operation is failing to the point of them halting it and their unsustainable losses.

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Another video of Prigozhin.

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youtube.com/watch?v=o3aog78WWq0

(uploaded directly in case it disappears from YT)

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Wagners firing a rifle into the sky as they left Rostov.

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Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I read somewhere that 4.5 billion people on this earth live in countries that didn’t sanction Russia. From the countries that did sanction russia, not all citizens are behind such decisions, nor are they in support of Zelensky or Nato expansion.

So in the end it just boils down to which media you follow.

On the other hand, although the global population condemning Russia’s actions are in the minority, they do represent the vast majority of the world’s economy. Seventy percent of global GDP belongs to countries supporting the West’s position, with 61 percent of the world’s GDP and 16 percent of its population belonging to countries actively condemning Russia.

Most people from China, Africa and India have no clue what's going on as most struggling to survive and don't care about what's going on outside their country.

But this isn't a discussion thread for off topic related content.

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Prigozhin Breaks Silence in First Statement Since Halting Mutiny

Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin made his first public statement since pulling back his troops from a march on Moscow, saying his reason for doing so was that he didn't want his soldiers to become cannon fodder.

In an audio message posted to the Telegram messaging app, Prigozhin said that two factors influenced the decision to turn back on the way north from the southern city of Rostov that his troops had seized earlier Saturday. First, he didn't want to spill Russian blood and second, he said his march was a protest and not an attempt to oust the government.

In a deal struck by Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, Prigozhin was offered free passage to Belarus and immunity from charges of inciting rebellion, the Kremlin said Saturday. On Monday though, the Russian state news agency TASS, said he was still under investigation.

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The fate of the Wagner group remains uncertain.

Two days after the Wagner mercenary group pulled back from its audacious march toward Moscow in a brief rebellion that challenged the foundations of Russia’s power hierarchy, its fate is in limbo.

The leader of the group, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin, said in an audio message released on Monday that his rebellion was a protest against the Ministry of Defense’s decision to force his mercenaries to sign contracts with the government. That would have effectively forced Wagner to disband by Saturday, he said.

Wagner fighters who did not take part in the rebellion can sign contracts with the Defense Ministry and continue as fighters, the Kremlin said on Saturday, after Mr. Prigozhin said his forces were halting their advance on Moscow.

Andrei Kartapolov, a deputy of the Russian State Duma, the lower house of Parliament, said that lawmakers had been discussing legislation that would regulate mercenary groups such as Wagner. After its armed uprising, the fate of Wagner as an organization remains unresolved, he said.

“We need to ascertain its future,” he told Vedomosti, a Russian business daily, on Sunday. “Will they continue to exist? What will they be called? To whom will they report?”

He added: “We probably need to change their leadership. Appoint someone who would be more loyal, more definitive.”

Russian state media reported on Sunday that Wagner troops had returned to their camps in Ukraine’s eastern Luhansk region.

Following the Defense Ministry’s push to formalize such organizations within its hierarchy by forcing them to sign contracts, at least 10 volunteer groups have done so so far, according to Tass, a Russian state news agency.

As of now, private military companies operate in a legal gray area in Russia. The system benefits the Kremlin. For instance, it was able to deploy Wagner in covert or secretive operations in Ukraine and several African countries.

Wagner is the most potent and well-known group of the mercenary organizations in Russia.

Some of the other groups have existed under the auspices of the National Guard, including regiments led by Ramzan Kadyrov, the Chechen strongman, who backed President Vladimir V. Putin during the Wagner rebellion.

The Wagner group still has camps in the forests of Ukraine’s eastern Luhansk region. A video report from one of them last week, days before the uprising, shows a combination of dugout dormitories and tents, including amenities such as a sauna and laundry facilities. The report was made by Aleksandr Simonov, a military blogger known to be close to Mr. Prigozhin, but its authenticity could not be verified.

The fighters quoted in the video rejected reports that the group would be disbanded, with one saying, “We are waiting for out next task.”

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