[Roosta]

Stall.

[DMetzgermeister]

The pilots were completely disoriented due to being in the clouds. The plane fell for 2 minutes and according to the news article it took them until 1 minute from the crash to notice the loss of altitude. They may have been tryin to make sense of the situation but without outside visual references it becomes extremely difficult.

Not to mention recovering from a flat spin is already extremely difficult. RIP

[Patriotpride16t]

I cannot imagine the horror everyone on board experienced falling to the ground!

[volleyballbat]

Originally Posted by Patriotpride16t ↗

I cannot imagine the horror everyone on board experienced falling to the ground!

Indeed. Normally a crash is like "bang" and you are out of breath. But in this case it was just spinning and falling down like a leaf which means they had clearly time to think what's going to happen - none of them had hope that the plane could survive when it's not sliding but spinning and just falling.

[Hogmann]

Originally Posted by akham ↗

Fuel starvation = no fire.

You mean fuel exhaustion. That is when there is no more fuel left in the plane.
fuel starvation is when there's no more fuel getting to the engines.
But this is now believed to be an icing event

[Hogmann]

Originally Posted by Katwoman ↗

The rudder doesn’t require lift to work. Using it in a flat spin is a necessary step to gain control of the aircraft.
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Wings don't require lift to work either. Wings require air flow to generate lift. Stabilizers and rudders also require air flow to work. The effect that a Rudder has from air flowing over it is in fact lift, but that lift is in the lateral direction which generates a yawing force around the vertical axis.

Without airflow over the rudder it is useless. In a flat spin like this there is no airflow over the rudder.

[weee96]

Sadly you cant recover from a flat spin like that in an ATR-72 unless you are very high up, they had no chance. Rough.