[Bletch]

Horrible accident. What a mess it must have been arriving at the crash scene. Rumour says that one victim was found grabbing a chunk of grass, just as if he had survived the initial crash and died later..

[Bletch]

Originally Posted by woodsetton ↗

They released the fucker who planted the bomb as he was said to be near death from cancer. Guess what? He's still alive and got a hero's welcome in Libya when he got home.

Another reason to shot Ghadaffi in the head.

[PTSD Is My Life]

Originally Posted by Sharon. ↗

This image will be forever in my head. You see the clear stretch of road in the foreground? My dad drove past the crash site (in our bright yellow Lada!) and I was stunned at the devastation. What a terrible event to witness

Mind you, being in a bright yellow 'communist car' was traumatic too, especially if I saw a fellow kid from school. I used to duck so they didn't see me!

I remember the boom as the plane either blew up or hit the ground and I was in Penrith at the time a good few miles away and actually rang it in as I thought another RAF plane had banged in somewhere in the Lake District. My house was right at the town limits up (Beacon) Hill so had a panoramic view and sound travelled a long way up there.

My (now ex) wifes uncle was driving down the road and travelling south from Glasgow back to Penrith and was about 1/2 (or so) mile from Lockerbie and the impact site and said the fireball was almost unreal he slammed on the brakes and jumped out and said even at that distance the heat was phenominal.

Also on the yellow Lada situation Carlisle used to awash with them as there was a taxi company who insisted you owned a Yellow Lada when you worked for them (the vast majority of the cars where privately owned but they insisted on them being painted and serviced at their garages in the arches under the railway station behind the swimming baths/Metal Box Factory.

I lived in Denton Holme and then moved out to one of the outlying villages before moving to Penrith after attending Newton Rigg Agriculture collage to train in Horticulture/Landscape Gardening

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[stevew3765]

great SET! AT LEAST THATS WHAT I TOLD MY GF...LOL SERIOUSLY THOUGH NICE!

[icheerthebull]

Email links Lockerbie bomber's prison transfer to £400m Libyan arms deal

Document emerges from 2008 showing agreement 'ready for signature' as soon as purchase of air defence system concluded

An email has emerged suggesting a connection between the prisoner transfer deal negotiated between Libya and the last Labour government, that could have allowed the release of the Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, and a £400m arms deal.

The document, which shows that Sir Vincent Fean, the then British ambassador to Libya, wrote to Tony Blair in June 2008 saying that the prisoner transfer agreement was "ready for signature in London" as soon as Libya went ahead with the purchase of an air defence system, was obtained by the Sunday Telegraph.

Blair was no longer prime minister at the time, but Fean mentioned the two issues in a 1,300-word briefing for Blair before a visit to Tripoli where he was meeting Muammar Gaddafi, the Libyan dictator.

The prisoner transfer agreement was eventually signed in November 2008. Although the UK government originally wanted to exclude Megrahi from its provisions, the final version included him and could potentially have been used to authorise his return to Libya. However, in August 2009 the Scottish government refused to send Megrahi to Libya under the prisoner transfer agreement but instead allowed his release on compassionate grounds because he was suffering from terminal cancer. The arms deal was never concluded.

The release of Megrahi, who eventually died in May 2012, provoked outrage in the US and elsewhere. At the time ministers rejected claims that the decision to allow him to return home was influenced by commercial concerns, but the new email, obtained using the Freedom of Information Act, suggests the Foreign Office was trying to link the two issues.

Before he resigned as prime minister, Blair met Gaddafi in Libya in May 2007. At that meeting the Libyans agreed they would buy a £400m missile defence system from MBDA, a weapons manufacturer part-owned by BAE Systems.

The following year, in his email to Blair, Fean said that he hoped that the former prime minister would raise this with Gaddafi in his meeting, which was primarily about matters relating to Africa. Fean wrote: "There is one bilateral issue which I hope TB [Tony Blair] can raise, as a legacy issue. On 29 May 07 in Sirte, he and Libya's PM agreed that Libya would buy the air defence system (Jernas) from the UK (MBDA). One year on, MBDA are now back in Tripoli (since 8 June) aiming to agree and sign the contract now – worth £400m, and up to 2,000 jobs in the UK.

"Linked (by Libya) is the issue of the four bilateral justice agreements about which TB signed an MoU [memorandum of understanding] with [Al-Baghdadi Ali al-Mahmoudi, the Libyan prime minister at the time] on 29 May. The MoU says they will be negotiated within the year: they have been. They are all ready for signature in London as soon as Libya fulfils its promise on Jernas."

A spokesman for Blair said that it was the Libyans who were trying to link the prisoner transfer agreement to the arms deal and that the email confirmed this. The spokesman also said it was made clear to Gaddafi that any decision about the release of Megrahi was a matter for the Scottish government, not the UK government.

The Foreign Office said it was not appropriate to comment on the papers of a previous administration and pointed to the review published by Sir Gus O'Donnell, the then cabinet secretary, in February 2011 covering matters relating to the release of Megrahi. That concluded that the UK government did all it could to facilitate the release of Megrahi, whilst at the same time avoiding overtly pressurising the Scottish government, which had the final say.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...byan-arms-deal

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by PTSD Is My Life ↗

I remember the boom as the plane either blew up or hit the ground and I was in Penrith at the time a good few miles away and actually rang it in as I thought another RAF plane had banged in somewhere in the Lake District. My house was right at the town limits up (Beacon) Hill so had a panoramic view and sound travelled a long way up there.

My (now ex) wifes uncle was driving down the road and travelling south from Glasgow back to Penrith and was about 1/2 (or so) mile from Lockerbie and the impact site and said the fireball was almost unreal he slammed on the brakes and jumped out and said even at that distance the heat was phenominal.

Also on the yellow Lada situation Carlisle used to awash with them as there was a taxi company who insisted you owned a Yellow Lada when you worked for them (the vast majority of the cars where privately owned but they insisted on them being painted and serviced at their garages in the arches under the railway station behind the swimming baths/Metal Box Factory.

I lived in Denton Holme and then moved out to one of the outlying villages before moving to Penrith after attending Newton Rigg Agriculture collage to train in Horticulture/Landscape Gardening

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Wow what experiences and memories we both recall from that day!! Small world too as we used to go to Penrith a lot.

Love the yellow Lada taxi company - like a poor man's version of New York's yellow taxis

[t18amgr]

I read David Whites son(Larry Tate) Bewitched TV show was on this flight and he never got over it and died shortly after.

[Eldeanio100]

Is their any photos of immediately afterwards...ie victims etc as all I see is empty homes etc?

[bob351]

Why the fuck does a plane have maid of the seas written on it?

[Eldeanio100]

6th picture down showing workers stood in front of the nose shoes either a ghost or a face of the deceased in the cockpit :(