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HAWAII | Training Plane Crash Kills Two

HONOLULU, (December 17, 2024) — Two people were killed when a plane crashed into a building near Daniel K. Inouye International Airport Tuesday afternoon.

It happened at around 3:05 p.m. on Aolele Street.

State officials said a Kamaka Air Cessna 208 Caravan was conducting a training flight when it crashed into a vacant, state-owned building that was slated for demolition.

Both people on board died.

While they have not been identified by officials, sources close to the family identified one of the victims as Hiram Defries, a Punahou School graduate in his 20s who was a pilot in training.

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So they appears they went sideways immediately after taking off. Airborn for less than one minute.
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Wonder if their control locks were still installed?
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Wonder if their control locks were still installed?
It was a C208B. A lot of the control locks for those cover the master switch, which makes it hard to miss (by design). The lock also prevents control movement in both dimensions, and although taxiing would be done with rudder even if the pilot omitted the usual controls check it would seem to be hard to miss the fact that the controls won't move as you start rolling.

Then again, this aircraft had completed multiple flights earlier that day so I guess it might be possible that pilot was simply complacent - aircraft worked an hour ago, why check it again?
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Sounds like they had difficulty controlling the aircraft after takeoff which could either be a problem with the flight controls or a control lock is previously said. There's also some talk about a possible fuel imbalance between the wings. Leaving the aircraft parked on any kind of a slope even slight with the fuel valve in the both position can cause fuel flow from one wing to the other it doesn't take much to get the plane out of balance and not controllable.
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It was a C208B. A lot of the control locks for those cover the master switch, which makes it hard to miss (by design). The lock also prevents control movement in both dimensions, and although taxiing would be done with rudder even if the pilot omitted the usual controls check it would seem to be hard to miss the fact that the controls won't move as you start rolling.

Then again, this aircraft had completed multiple flights earlier that day so I guess it might be possible that pilot was simply complacent - aircraft worked an hour ago, why check it again?
I didn't know where the locks were on these, but per your explanation now, control locks were probably NOT the reason for the accident, especially if the machine was flown just an hour before.

The head demo pilot for the F-14 was killed in his little airplane, because he had external gust locks and failed to take them off before flying. He was an absolute EXPERT pilot and was world- renowned for his incredibly skilled flight demonstrations. The video is on here somewhere for that event.

The prototype B-17 was flown by Boeing to Wright Patterson AFB, and destroyed when the flight crew left the control locks on the elevator and the machine crashed on takeoff. No video or film of that, but pics of the aftermath.

Your idea of fuel imbalance is a good one.
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