[JustifiableHomicide]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

i watched this.. i think they proved that the oil theory was the main focus but regardless of that fact, we were honestly somewhat forced into iraq anyway (or would have been).

Hitchens makes a great point when he said that we are (because of out alligences with other countries... i forget which treaty in particular...the UN mandates, i think) mandated to take action to stop countries from doing certain things. Iraq had broken this mandates and instead of the US acting on these, like they were supposed to, they sent UN weapons inspectors over to try to get them to find evidence of WMDs so the UN could act. those inspectors were repeatedly denied access and Iraq repeatedly violated UN mandates.


then 9-11 happened and the world changed...

...so, while the actual decision to invade should have been made and followed through earlier, in all honesty.

what happened after 9-11 is clear though... we were lied to about the full reasons for why we invaded iraq. the search for WMDs was real and, if you really examine the political climate of the world before 9-11, was a valid threat... but there were, for sure, other reasons and motivations on top of the WMD threat... and after the invasion started, the whole thing was handled in the worst possible manner.

so, im not saying that oil wasnt an issue... im simply saying that the WMD threat was also a real issue, one that needed to be acted on, and was a valid reason for invading when we did....

there was just obviously also more to the story that we were lied to about.

I agree with what you said, but feel it is hypocritical of us to sell him the weapons then invade the entire country when he uses them..

It's like selling a kid a bb gun and telling him not to shoot it..

[Ntwadumela]

Originally Posted by JustifiableHomicide ↗

You do know that we sold Saddam those chemical weapons right?

You just admitted that they had weapons of mass destruction in the same thread you created with intentions of trying to disprove the claim.

We sold him weapons and realized it was a mistake.

[Ntwadumela]

Originally Posted by JustifiableHomicide ↗

I agree with what you said, but feel it is hypocritical of us to sell him the weapons then invade the entire country when he uses them..

It's like selling a kid a bb gun and telling him not to shoot it..

He used them against his own people. Innocent people.

The US made the mistake of thinking the psycho would be responsible with such weapons.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by JustifiableHomicide ↗

I agree with what you said, but feel it is hypocritical of us to sell him the weapons then invade the entire country when he uses them..

It's like selling a kid a bb gun and telling him not to shoot it..

they were sold for a reason and misused... so, in my opinion, it's like giving a kid a bb gun and telling him how to use it, then having him shoot the neighbor anyway.

[JustifiableHomicide]

Originally Posted by Ntwadumela ↗

He used them against his own people. Innocent people.

The US made the mistake of thinking the psycho would be responsible with such weapons.

You really think we are any better?

http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...esting-140205/

[JustifiableHomicide]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

they were sold for a reason and misused... so, in my opinion, it's like giving a kid a bb gun and telling him how to use it, then having him shoot the neighbor anyway.

The thing with chemical weapons like the ones we sold(viruses, anthrax, bubonic plague) are that they have no actual uses other than being chemical weapons. So I gotta stick with the analogy of giving a loaded gun to a kid and telling him not to use it.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by JustifiableHomicide ↗

The thing with chemical weapons like the ones we sold(viruses, anthrax, bubonic plague) are that they have no actual uses other than being chemical weapons. So I gotta stick with the analogy of giving a loaded gun to a kid and telling him not to use it.

that, i agree with as well. to me though, it seems like when a country makes a mistake (gives a dangerous person weapons), they should then try to remedy that mistake (invade and overthrow in this case was the only real option) and take responsibility.

the invasion of iraq was painted as that remedy but clearly we were lied to about that. my point is that i disagree with everything the US did as a whole except for the actual invasion iraq and overthrow of Saddam. while i agree that it should have been done earlier and the timing of when it was actually achieved was horrible, but in the end, the fact remains that at some point saddam needed to be removed from power. that is the only bright spot i can see in the whole situation. i think that alone should have been justification for invading... so the 'where are the WMDs' argument is invalid to me. that's now what the lies were about, is my only point.

[Ntwadumela]

Originally Posted by JustifiableHomicide ↗

You really think we are any better?

http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...esting-140205/

Bite your tongue.

We are far better than that piece of shit. Maybe you should consider living in a country that isn't as evil as this one.

Anyways

I have often wondered whether the government gave Saddam those weapons so they could have an excuse to invade in the future.

Kind of like setting Saddam up for failure because I refuse to believe government officials were simpleminded enough not to see that he was a psychopath capable of unspeakable atrocities.

[JustifiableHomicide]

Originally Posted by Ntwadumela ↗

Bite your tongue.

We are far better than that piece of shit. Maybe you should consider living in a country that isn't as evil as this one.

Anyways

I have often wondered whether the government gave Saddam those weapons so they could have an excuse to invade in the future.

Kind of like setting Saddam up for failure because I refuse to believe government officials were simpleminded enough not to see that he was a psychopath capable of unspeakable atrocities.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a patriot but our country has done some pretty fucked up things..

That's probably a likely scenario, like a backup plan just in case Iran didn't take him out..

[TwistedSisterr]

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