[volkan_muzik]

the punishment of God will not let you, O disbelievers will not be nothing gratuitous

[Nite]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Somehow you left out the need to survive, live in peace, raise your children as you see fit, enjoy the fruits of your labor, and every other basic freedom.
Equating one conflict with all others while pretending that a struggle for survival is the same as sports, petty classroom squabbles and neighborhood brawls between juvenile delinquents is a serious oversimplification.
Jewish people have for 2000 years desired to be in their own homeland. There are 6 million now in Israel and another 6 million in USA. As well as those who are scattered around in other nations. Those still in the diaspora are an ever decreasing number. Most notably in the Islamic countries where they have been almost completely driven out. Of the millions murdered in Poland their numbers never regained the former demographics.
Equating the steady march of Islamic oppression across the world against every other culture and religion as group dynamics is an oversimplification. Jews are not out to colonize the world. But instead only want to keep their own homeland as a safe haven. If hostile nations attack them, (and they do) they wish to have a homeland to return to.
Yes Jewish people want to preserve their identity but they have always done so quietly with out conflict. And they have never had a problem belonging in a group because they are born that way. All they wish for is to live in peace and be left alone. This is not group dynamics. It is self perservation against centuries of persecution and hatred. You can have your opinion but don't be surprised if I choose to try to enlighten you with some facts. BTW I didn't go trying to insinuate you are mentally diseased like you did me. You can stop with the personal attacks. If it offends you that I point out the fallacies of your argument then so be it. Deal with it. BTW, when did the British become part of the UK? Was that like when the Bostonians became part of USA? Just kinda wondered why you tossed that in there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
hmmm quietly without conflict

[ez15]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

I'm not trying to convert muslims. Not in the least. Convert them to what? Dog crap? Monkeys? Apes? Pigs? You tell me what would be easiest and I will work on converting you muslims as fast as I can. I never really thought about converting muslims until you mentioned it. But things for bringing up the topic.

You said your not trying to convert muslims, then you said "i will work on it as fast as i can"? hahaha you ignorant son of a bitch..
Your personal hate for islam will lead you to hell.. GoodLuck <3

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by ez15 ↗

You said your not trying to convert muslims, then you said "i will work on it as fast as i can"? hahaha you ignorant son of a bitch..
Your personal hate for islam will lead you to hell.. GoodLuck <3

It's sarcasm but then you are too ignorant and mindless to understand humor. Like, I'm not trying to convert you unless perhaps it is possible to convert you to a donkey or a dog or a pig. Then that might be very easy so if you will advise me on the easiest and most pleasing conversion I will then begin converting all muslims to complete jackasses as they are already almost there. BTW can you advise me on where to buy a new official Koran? My current koran is all out of pages.

[Oswald2001]

Mo' was a child molesting megalomaniacal con man.


He Cut & Pasted different religions into his Dark Ages Death CULT. Most of it from Judaism.

Mo', the psycho', was the L. Ron Hubbard of his day.

His Dark Ages Death CULT was just the $cilontology of it's day.


The whole Moo Slum Dark Ages Death CULT con game has never worked. It has been a spectacular failure for all of it's existence.

Only psychos believe it anymore.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Mo' was a child molesting megalomaniacal con man.


He Cut & Pasted different religions into his Dark Ages Death CULT. Most of it from Judaism.

Mo', the psycho', was the L. Ron Hubbard of his day.

His Dark Ages Death CULT was just the $cilontology of it's day.


The whole Moo Slum Dark Ages Death CULT con game has never worked. It has been a spectacular failure for all of it's existence.

Only psychos believe it anymore.

Much of what you say is correct except the part about Judaism. More correct is that the majority of Islam is based on ancient beliefs taken from arabic myths. Like the worship of their black stone that they kiss. The Kaaba. Their fascination with smooth stones. Their blood cult. And their perverted sense of honor. Also the value they place on women or rather lack of value. Also the animal sex and sex with children. All these things existed prior to Mohammed. Mohammed did piece his religion together from a variety of sources. Keep in mind that they formerly had over 300 idols and forms of worship for each idol. Mohammed simply broke down all the idols but his own Allah Idol while still allowing for a short time worship of the three daughters of Allah. Notice the symbol of the moon on the flag of most Islamic nations.
Mohammed did pay some Jewish scribes to write down some of the Talmud and a few choice verses from the Torah. A very few verses mind you. And then he also encountered Jewish Christians and borrowed some verses from the books of the Apostles. Also he borrowed from Hindu teachings.

The Quran's story is found in Sura 5:27-32. Initially, the O.T. and Quran basically agree on the narrative. In verse 31, the two diverge.



"That is why we laid it down for the Israelites that whoever killed a human being, except as punishment for murder or other villainy in the land, shall be deemed as though he had killed all mankind; and that whoever saved a human life shall be deemed as though he had saved all mankind.".





Initially, there appears to be no connection between verses 31 and 32. Why the life or death of one should be as the salvation or destruction of all mankind in not made clear in the Quran. When we turn to another Jewish record - the Mishnah Sanhedrin, we find the link between the story and what follows:



"We find it said in the case of Cain who murdered his brother, 'The voice of thy brother's bloods crieth' (Gen. 4:10). It is not said here blood in the singular, but bloods in the plural, that is, his own blood and the blood of his seed. Man was created single in order to show that to him who kills a single individual it shall be reckoned that he has slain the whole race, but to him who preserves the life of a single individual it is counted that he hath preserved the whole race." Mishnah Sanhedrin, 4:5



Here in the Quran is a passage from the Mishnah! The Mishnah is a Jewish commentary on the Torah. How did a Rabbi's commentary on the Torah make its way into the Quran? Simple, Muhammad had heard these teachings from the Jews, and repeated them later as he recited "revelation".





Because the word for blood is in the plural in Gen. 4:10, an ingenious Rabbi invented the supposition that all Abel's offspring had been killed with him which signified that any murder or life-saving act had universal implications. Clearly Muhammad had no knowledge of the source of the theory set out in the Mishnah but, in hearing it related, simply set out the Rabbi's suppositions as the eternal decree of God! Now today, some Jewish Rabbi's thoughts are quoted as revelation in the Quran!

Also Mohammed borrowed from the Apocrypha or false biblical writings which were rejected because of the many errors and myths they contained.

"After the Pilgrimage, in Pagan times, the pilgrims used to gather in assemblies in which the praises of ancestors were sung. As the whole of the Pilgrimage rites were spiritualized in Islam, so this aftermath of the Pilgrimage was also spiritualized. (The holy Qur’an, text, translation and commentary by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. 1872-1952, First published in 1938, 1973 ed. p. 80, footnote 223)
"temples of the moon gods, with rituals similar in many details to those of the pre-Islamic and Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca." (Britannica, Arabia, History of, p1045, 1979)
"A principal public celebration of the Arabians was an annual pilgrimage, in which tribes who shared a common bond of worship of a deity at a specific sanctuary would reunite there. A pattern of ceremonial procession around the baetyl [the sacred stone] was common, and this pattern may be seen in the surviving Islamic custom of the pilgrimage to Mecca." (Britannica, Arabian Religions, p1059, 1979)
Muhammad merely borrowed this wide spread polytheistic worship style and adopted it into Islam as a central rite. Same polytheistic pilgrimage under the disguise of a modified monotheism.

Polytheistic worshippers prayed 5 times a day towards their local kaba’s.
"The Sabeans have five prayers similar to the five prayers of the Muslims. Others say they have seven prayers, five of which are comparable to the prayers of the Muslims with regard to time [that is, morning, noon, afternoon, evening and night; the sixth is at midnight and the seventh is at forenoon]. It is their practice to pray over the dead without kneeling down or even bending the knee. They also fast for one lunar month of thirty days; they start their fast at the last watch of the night and continue till the setting of the sun. Some of their sects fast during the month of Ramadan, face Ka'ba when they pray, venerate Mecca, and believe in making the pilgrimage to it. They consider dead bodies, blood and the flesh of pigs as unlawful. They also forbid marriage for the same reasons as do Muslims." (Bulugh al-'Arab fi Ahwal al-Arab, Muhammad Shukri al-Alusi, Vol 1, p 121-122, Muslim)
Prior to Islam the people would pray 5 times a day facing Mecca (The Encyclopedia of Islam p. 303)
Worshippers in pagan Sabian religion that worshipped stars were "obliged to pray three times a day" (Preliminary Discourse to the Koran, Sale, 1801)
At first, Muhammad prayed towards Jerusalem, but when he was rejected by the Jews, started directing his prayers towards Mecca. Today, monotheistic Muslims pray 5 times a day towards Mecca to Allah. Muhammad grafted this pagan practice into Islam.

And don't forget the moon god.

All the Arabs at the Kaba in Mecca worshipped the moon god Hubal.
Crescent moon is the official symbol of Islam on top of every Mosque in the world and beside the Kaba on top of the Maqam Ibrahim! It is the last remaining polytheistic remnant of ancient moon worship under a new sanitized monotheistic veil.

[Oswald2001]

More accurately, most of the Moo Slum Dark Ages Death CULT was taken from Judaism and presented in a way that was palatable to whatever various pagan beliefs that held sway at the time.

Mo', aside from being a child molester, was a consummate con man and altered his approach to whatever crowd of 'rubes' he was conning. He would change course 180 degrees with one crowd and then back 180 degrees for another crowd and/or another occasion. Thus the "Satanic Verses" and such.

He also took from the Christians, but of course, the Christians Cut & Pasted from The Jews.

The Jew haters don't like to admit this, but it's true. The whole Judaism bit may be partly BS, largely BS or totally BS. It really doesn't matter. The sociopathic con man, Mo', still used mostly Judaism for his Cut & Paste 'religion' con game.

The 'suckers' in the region were particularly vulnerable to the Abrahamic approach. The pagan stuff was thrown in because Mo' wanted to con the largest crowd possible and so marketed to the pagan demographic too.

Again, just like L. Ron Hubbard did with $cilontology.


“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.”

- L. Ron Hubbard


"There's a sucker born every minute."

- credited to P. T. Barnum

[Sharon]

Originally Posted by Devourment ↗

Muslims are a tough nut to crack. They have belief in their religion of such epic proportions that Christians won't ever have. But that's because Christians have freedom. That's one of the most important things about Christianity is that they have freedom of belief. It's your decision whether you believe or deny Christian God to the end, while muslims have the more supressed religion

Beleif in their religion or knowing what they'd get if they dare choose otherwise? Sad really. It's not Christians that have freedom, it's the people who choose to become one or not that do. If that makes sense!

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Sharon. ↗

Beleif in their religion or knowing what they'd get if they dare choose otherwise? Sad really. It's not Christians that have freedom, it's the people who choose to become one or not that do. If that makes sense!

Most Muslims in America don't follow it to the extreme that some do in other parts of the world.
If somebody like Michelle Bachman ever got elected in America, things could easily go in the same direction, only in would be an extreme version of Christianity that would be dictating Government Policys.
Personally, I fear Christian extremism far, far more...... Muslim Idealology will never dictate what my kids learn in school, what they can see on TV or Movies, or how we live in general.
The Evangelical movement wants Creationism taught in Public Schools as a rebuttal to Darwinism/Evolution, they have taken it to court twice already and 3/4 of the Republican candidates would support it......
That is the clear difference here, Christian fanatics are actually using an intelligent stradegy to get to the same end Muslims extermists want, a religous state based on their religous ideals..... and they damn near have acheived it.
Meanwhile they have us all convinced that we should all be scared of Muslims taking over, so we ignore their agenda and let them save us.

Scary shit.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by Sharon. ↗

Beleif in their religion or knowing what they'd get if they dare choose otherwise? Sad really. It's not Christians that have freedom, it's the people who choose to become one or not that do. If that makes sense!

Also take into account that some of these Madrassas force the students to memorize the koran or they get beat. This can go on for as long as 20 years. Then the five times daily prayer chants that are not really prayers but just repetition and the most devout literally pound their forehead on the floor until it bleeds. Ever notice the dark bruise on the forehead of the most devout?
Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri

The United States had a $5 million bounty on Mohamed’s head. He was accused of being the mastermind behind the 1998 attacks on U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania

Parviz Khan is one of nine defendants on trial in the UK for a terrorist plot against the British military

Gates of Vienna: Muslim Stigmata


What I hadn’t been able to find is any commentary on Mr. Khan’s bruised forehead. Had the police been having a go at him with billy clubs, perhaps? Why no mention of it by the MSM? Strange that it would go unremarked…

Well, sorry, this is nothing as pedestrian as torture. What creates these Muslim stigmata is the effect of devout head-pounding fervor. Fundamentalist Muslims do not touch their head to the ground in prayer. Instead, they bounce their cranium forcefully onto the stone floors on which they kneel. Performing this act of adoration five times a day will get you that prune-shaped hematoma our head-banger suspect now sports. By their bruises you shall know them.

The Wikipedia whitewash

Prayer bump


A prayer bump, also known as a prayer scar, or a zabiba or zebiba (raisin) in Arabic is a mark on the forehead of a pious muslim, caused by rubbing the forehead against a prayer mat. Islam requires its adherents to pray five times a day (known as salah), which involves kneeling on a prayer mat and touching the ground with one’s forehead. When done for extended periods of time, a prayer bump may develop. Devout Muslims consider the presence of a prayer bump to be a worthy sign of religious dedication and piety.

The prayer bump can take the form of a discolouration of the skin, caused by repeated chafing and the build-up of callous. In extreme cases, the callous can be thick enough to create a real bump that portrudes from the forehead. Prayer bumps are common in Islamic countries such as Egypt, where they are colloquially called a ‘zabiba’ (raisin).

#1Ken on 02.06.08 at 2:06 pm
“Fundamentalist Muslims do not touch their head to the ground in prayer. Instead, they bounce their cranium forcefully onto the stone floors on which they kneel. ”

As in More-Devout-Than-Thou “CAN YOU TOP THIS?”

The hypnotic, self-destructive, and mind-altering nature of Islamic worship (yes, including the head-bashing) is indeed part of the reason. For more dimensions of the Muslim mindset, please see:http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/1...f-islamic.html