[rob666]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Sometimes I just get sick of your stupid ad hominem attacks and have a few beers. Then I tell it like it is. You're a racist self hating homo. You can't respond to the threads I post so you just content yourself with attacking me. You ALWAYS veer off on the personal attacks. And here's a disgusting thought. You're just like a monkey in the zoo. You have nothing of substance but your own shit so you throw that at every chance. In fact you seek out encounters to throw your own racist xenophobic shit on those whose opinion differs from your own. Rather than just making an honest critique you can only and always make personal attacks. Unfortunately for you it simply reveals your sick monkey like shit throwing nature. You can't even make your own threads but must infest other peoples' threads with your fecal mind matter. And it is not I who am hiding. It is you. Everyone knows who I am and I have hidden nothing. Oh by the way, would you like to call my employer and give them reason to fire me? Please do. Call up International Tradesman in San Diego on Harbor Drive. Then I can have my attorney sue you for defamation of charactor and loss of income. I can already sue you for defamation of charactor but this is just a hobby for me. I can sue you for harrassment as well. Since I even stated that I don't remember making the comments you claim I made and if I did then I was wrong since I have known many fine black people or known of them. In fact I just recently worked for a black man on a house project and he was more than happy with my work and my behavior. I can give you his phone number tomorrow and you can call him and make your complaints to him as well. Of course all your phone calls will be recorded. And fortunately DR doesn't delete posts and we can have a field day with your constant harrassments and personal attacks. You think your little nick can protect you? Not at all. You can even change computers and steal WiFi service and it won't matter. Have a nice day while I prepare for you.

You're lucky that you have a Lawyer that will work for empty beer cans John lol, because thats about all you could probably afford to pay him in unless Helga gets a job.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Sometimes I just get sick of your stupid ad hominem attacks and have a few beers. Then I tell it like it is. You're a racist self hating homo. You can't respond to the threads I post so you just content yourself with attacking me. You ALWAYS veer off on the personal attacks. And here's a disgusting thought. You're just like a monkey in the zoo. You have nothing of substance but your own shit so you throw that at every chance. In fact you seek out encounters to throw your own racist xenophobic shit on those whose opinion differs from your own. Rather than just making an honest critique you can only and always make personal attacks. Unfortunately for you it simply reveals your sick monkey like shit throwing nature. You can't even make your own threads but must infest other peoples' threads with your fecal mind matter. And it is not I who am hiding. It is you. Everyone knows who I am and I have hidden nothing. Oh by the way, would you like to call my employer and give them reason to fire me? Please do. Call up International Tradesman in San Diego on Harbor Drive. Then I can have my attorney sue you for defamation of charactor and loss of income. I can already sue you for defamation of charactor but this is just a hobby for me. I can sue you for harrassment as well. Since I even stated that I don't remember making the comments you claim I made and if I did then I was wrong since I have known many fine black people or known of them. In fact I just recently worked for a black man on a house project and he was more than happy with my work and my behavior. I can give you his phone number tomorrow and you can call him and make your complaints to him as well. Of course all your phone calls will be recorded. And fortunately DR doesn't delete posts and we can have a field day with your constant harrassments and personal attacks. You think your little nick can protect you? Not at all. You can even change computers and steal WiFi service and it won't matter. Have a nice day while I prepare for you.

You're lucky that you have a Lawyer that will work for empty beer cans John lol, because thats about all you could probably afford to pay him in unless Helga gets a job.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by :meeb: ↗

Egyptians who practice Islam have been oppressing and killing Coptic (very old branch of Christianity) Egyptians since before the British were involved in the UK. It's not so much a Muslim as a whole thing as it is simply a intergroup conflict thing. Take any country, you have Whites oppressing Blacks in the US, you have British and Pakistanis in the UK, you have Germans and Turks in Germany, you even have turf wars- gangs v gangs, teams vs teams.

Studies have shown that if you just as simply put people into two groups, they will start discriminating and holding prejudice against each other. I agree with you, people in the Middle East can be very rowdy. My parents blame the British for all of Iran's problems. I hear the same from other Middle Eastern people, either America, or the UK, or a rival sect, or the Jews. It's a conflict ridden, ignorant, and dangerous place to live, and it makes people very xenophobic.

They may think you were a Copt or you were somehow connected to them. Sort of how like you can get robbed/shot for wearing red in a Crips neighborhood, even if you are clearly not in a gang.

I can't agree with your post except for the facts.

Partial fact:

Egyptians who practice Islam have been oppressing and killing Coptic (very old branch of Christianity) Egyptians

Correction:
Islam was introduced to Egypt by Arabs in military conquest. Christianity had already been established there long before Islam even existed. Those who are oppressing and killing the Coptics are the invaders and their Egyption converts. Talk to any Coptic for these details. Islam in Egypt has the agenda to erase the Christian history of Egyptions. At first when the Arab Muslims began their Islamic rule over Egypt they treated the native Coptics with deference and gave them much lower taxes but soon they raised the taxes so high the Egyptions were forced to even give their own children up for slavery to pay the taxes.

WTF moment:

since before the British were involved in the UK.

I'll let this go without comment. It's just too strange to even untangle.

Oversimplification?

It's not so much a Muslim as a whole thing as it is simply a intergroup conflict thing.

Except you don't have Jews beheading Christians and posting it online. Mormons have yet to blow up a Mosque. Church of Scientology are some freaky bastards but I don't think they have plans to destroy every other religion and government on earth. Islam does.

Take any country

with muslims and you will find war, rape, murder, and constant chaos and political infighting.

you have Whites oppressing Blacks in the US

As a white who has been harrassed and called racial derogatory names by blacks and hispanics I am pretty sure it's the whites being oppressed now. Maybe you call it oppression when blacks call for other blacks to kill white babies. Somehow it's ALWAYS whiteys' fault.

you have British and Pakistanis in the UK

The EU is forcing Brits to accept massive amounts of immigration from Muslim countries in an effort to displace the native Brits from their own country or be forced to assimulate into a multicultural society where whites no longer exist as a seperate and distinct racial identity. That is the stated goal of multiculturalism.

you have Germans and Turks in Germany

Once again, the native population of Germany is being forced to accept a massive influx of Islamic people just as has been done in Denmark, Ireland, UK, and other European countries. France has whole regions where native Frence are no longer safe or welcomed. Multiculturalism is the stated goal. Assimulation is the result.

A war for grass:

you even have turf wars

Turf:
Turf may refer to:
Lawn, an area of grass maintained for decorative or recreational use
Golf course turf and other manicured sporting greens
Sod, the surface layer of ground consisting of a mat of grass and grass roots, sometimes used as a construction material
Artificial turf, a man-made surface manufactured from synthetic materials, made to look like natural grass

So you are talking about a Golf War? Or a Grass War? Whatever.

gangs v gangs

Groups of unemployed youths with no real agenda beyond acting macho and being part of a group is not the same thing as a religous cult of oppression and annihilation with the agenda of world conquest.

teams vs teams

Maybe you have something against sports?

Studies have shown that if you just as simply put people into two groups, they will start discriminating and holding prejudice against each other

This is only true if an authority figure endorses such activities or somehow makes it ok. I read the same study.

I agree with you, people in the Middle East can be very rowdy

So that's what you call it?

My parents blame the British for all of Iran's problems

It was such a lovely place before the British took over. Should kick them out of Iran.

I hear the same from other Middle Eastern people, either America, or the UK, or a rival sect, or the Jews.

It's so nice that "Middle Eastern people" (read Muslims) never have to take responsibility for their problems. Because the whole world knows they only have problems because of "Ameeerika, UK, and the damn Juuze"

It's a conflict ridden, ignorant, and dangerous place to live, and it makes people very xenophobic

Mostly it's just ignorance, greed, and hatred. "Allah Hu Akbar"

They may think you were a Copt or you were somehow connected to them.

So it's not the Copts hunting down and killing muslims. Glad you finally got to that part.

Sort of how like you can get robbed/shot for wearing red in a Crips neighborhood, even if you are clearly not in a gang.

Of course, It's exactly the same. We all know Crips have their own religion and their own army and take over governments, people and nations. Sure enough.
Sarcasm aside: Bloods and Crips are rival gangs with competing agendas. They both want the same thing. So they go to bats for it and sometimes kids get killed. These gangs are nothing more than ad hoc unsophisticated groups of misfits who gravitate toward criminal activity. To compare the two situations is much like comparing the Crusades to Grapes of Wrath

Oversimplification is a complete fail. It's making light of the true horror of an agenda of conquest that spans the globe and is centuries old.

[meeb]

Gee, John, quite a stickler for argument. Do you have Asperger's or something? Any group tension can be boiled down to intergroup dynamics, social identity, and the conflict that arises from people's need to be in groups. It's not oversimplification, it's just revealing what's beneath the more apparent things, such as different religions, political claims, etc.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by PornFlakes ↗

You start showing your true face, go on...

Wikipedia:
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[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by :meeb: ↗

Gee, John, quite a stickler for argument. Do you have Asperger's or something? Any group tension can be boiled down to intergroup dynamics, social identity, and the conflict that arises from people's need to be in groups. It's not oversimplification, it's just revealing what's beneath the more apparent things, such as different religions, political claims, etc.

Somehow you left out the need to survive, live in peace, raise your children as you see fit, enjoy the fruits of your labor, and every other basic freedom.
Equating one conflict with all others while pretending that a struggle for survival is the same as sports, petty classroom squabbles and neighborhood brawls between juvenile delinquents is a serious oversimplification.
Jewish people have for 2000 years desired to be in their own homeland. There are 6 million now in Israel and another 6 million in USA. As well as those who are scattered around in other nations. Those still in the diaspora are an ever decreasing number. Most notably in the Islamic countries where they have been almost completely driven out. Of the millions murdered in Poland their numbers never regained the former demographics.
Equating the steady march of Islamic oppression across the world against every other culture and religion as group dynamics is an oversimplification. Jews are not out to colonize the world. But instead only want to keep their own homeland as a safe haven. If hostile nations attack them, (and they do) they wish to have a homeland to return to.
Yes Jewish people want to preserve their identity but they have always done so quietly with out conflict. And they have never had a problem belonging in a group because they are born that way. All they wish for is to live in peace and be left alone. This is not group dynamics. It is self perservation against centuries of persecution and hatred. You can have your opinion but don't be surprised if I choose to try to enlighten you with some facts. BTW I didn't go trying to insinuate you are mentally diseased like you did me. You can stop with the personal attacks. If it offends you that I point out the fallacies of your argument then so be it. Deal with it. BTW, when did the British become part of the UK? Was that like when the Bostonians became part of USA? Just kinda wondered why you tossed that in there.

[meeb]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Somehow you left out the need to survive, live in peace, raise your children as you see fit, enjoy the fruits of your labor, and every other basic freedom.
Equating one conflict with all others while pretending that a struggle for survival is the same as sports, petty classroom squabbles and neighborhood brawls between juvenile delinquents is a serious oversimplification.
Jewish people have for 2000 years desired to be in their own homeland. There are 6 million now in Israel and another 6 million in USA. As well as those who are scattered around in other nations. Those still in the diaspora are an ever decreasing number. Most notably in the Islamic countries where they have been almost completely driven out. Of the millions murdered in Poland their numbers never regained the former demographics.
Equating the steady march of Islamic oppression across the world against every other culture and religion as group dynamics is an oversimplification. Jews are not out to colonize the world. But instead only want to keep their own homeland as a safe haven. If hostile nations attack them, (and they do) they wish to have a homeland to return to.
Yes Jewish people want to preserve their identity but they have always done so quietly with out conflict. And they have never had a problem belonging in a group because they are born that way. All they wish for is to live in peace and be left alone. This is not group dynamics. It is self perservation against centuries of persecution and hatred. You can have your opinion but don't be surprised if I choose to try to enlighten you with some facts. BTW I didn't go trying to insinuate you are mentally diseased like you did me. You can stop with the personal attacks. If it offends you that I point out the fallacies of your argument then so be it. Deal with it. BTW, when did the British become part of the UK? Was that like when the Bostonians became part of USA? Just kinda wondered why you tossed that in there.

You seem to be missing it all. I really don't feel the need to explain to you the literature on Social Identity. I'm assuming you like to read, so look for studies by Tajfel & Turner.

All these things which you are referring to play a part in the human experience and the experience of group conflict. It's evolutionarily proven that people are predisposed to form groups in order to find resources and survive. Not only does group membership provide us with self-esteem, socialization and belonging, but it also provides us with security that reduces uncertainty and gives us a perception of safety. These are all under threat when groups are in conflict with one another. It doesn't have be something as concrete as "you killed my child, I'll kill you". It can be something so simple as a misconception of another group.

Sure there are group conflicts that are very particular. Yes, the conflict between the revolutionaries and Britain that resulted in the formation of the U.S. was not the same conflict as the Israeli-Palestinian tensions today. But if you analyze both of them, you'll see the underlying the skeleton. That's all I was referring to, but I guess it pays to dissect someone's argument for brownie points.

[meeb]

I'll be honest, I glazed over some of what you said...

First off, Muslims are not taking over and oppressing the world. You have got to be kidding me. This is some right-wing delusion. You forget the prime motivations of power, influence, money, and quality of life. If you read, you'll learn that Al Qaeda also functions as a massive drug operation. While ideological terrorism is a serious problem and exists in our world, it's a losing battle because most people don't want to die making a statement. Most people would rather have a better quality of life. Islam is, due to its violent and authoritarian nature, a perfect tool to use to spread influence and power over a region, or to further ends of an endeavor. But you'll find that most Muslims are moderate and don't agree with the violent aspects of the religion. Instead, they emphasize the order and tradition that is important in the religion.

It's true Islam is a converting religion. But look at the social reality. Most Muslims come from highly closed and conservative societies. When they come to the West, they mingle mostly among themselves. There are fundamentalist interpretations of Islam, which seek to convert, but by and large, Islamic conversion is on par with Christianity. You can't compare Jews to Muslims in that regard because Jews don't seek conversion, rather they believe they put to the test as God's chosen people.

How are Muslims oppressing the world? Take a relativist approach here. I don't like the religion for my own purposes. Primarily, because I was raised here in the U.S. and pursue a scientific field of study. Had I been raised elsewhere, I may have a different take on Islam. Thus if I say Islam is sexist, that's only because I'm looking at it from an American, suburban point of view. If I lived in Tehran, it may be different. If you look at Muslim's practices and call them barbaric, take your own position into account. What do you experience in your life that may make you think of them that way? We are raised with different social constructs. I know a Persian girl here that I studied with, who thought that dating guys was disgusting and taboo, and looked down on and hated girls who let loose and had fun. She also thought of herself as a good, unbiased person. She was also sheltered a great degree by a large, heavily conservative extended family. Her views were relative to her predicament, as are mine.

I'm not going into personal attacks. But I must admit, I'm getting bored of this.

[PornFlakesAkaGee]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

Wikipedia:
A cereal, usually consumed naked at home during the day whilst surfing for filth on the web.

OMG, you are SO fucking funny. Did you made that all up by yourself?


Loser.

[666Marduk999]

i have read the texts this is based on and it is accurate.