[güttsfükk]

Göbekli Tepe, is a hilltop sanctuary erected on the highest point of an elongated mountain ridge some 15 km northeast of the town of Şanlıurfa, in southeastern Turkey and 500 miles away from Istanbul, Turkey. It is the most astonishing archaeological discovery in modern times and also thought to be the oldest advanced civilization on Earth.

[johnleeknoefler]

Awesome post. I remember seeing this but forgot about it.

[kellyhound]

Interesting.
Luv the stone carvings and surprised they didn't find any tools.

another old civilisation.
Maybe there are more that are even older that the Turkish one.

Surat, India - Marine scientists in India announced they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130 feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay).

Not only are their sonar shapes with 90-degree angles, the Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site be dredged. What was found has surprised archaeologists around the world and was the subject of a private meeting two weeks ago attended by the Indian Minister in charge of investigating the underwater site about thirty miles off the coast from Surat.

An American who traveled to that private meeting was Michael Cremo, researcher in the history of archaeology for the Bhakti Vedanta Institute in India and author of the book Forbidden Archaeology.

I talked with him today in India about the dredging operation, what the ocean engineers found and the implications of first carbon dating of artifacts at more than 9,000 years.

Michael Cremo, Researcher of Ancient Archaeology
and Author, Forbidden Archaeology

"Within the past few months, the engineers began some dredging operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood, stone tools, pieces of pottery and many other things that indicated that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had.

And they were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent out into that area.

According to the news releases, they have done a radiocarbon testing on a piece of wood from the underwater site that is now yielding an age of 9,500 years which would place it near the end of the last Ice Age.

Yes, those are the indications that are coming. There were actually two radiocarbon dates: one about 7500 years old and another about 9500 years old.

The 9500 year old one seems to be the strongest one. That's the one they are going with. This was announced by Minister Joshi (Murli Manohar Joshi is Indian Minister for Ocean Technology) at this meeting I attended in Hyderabad, India.

He said there is going to be more work going on. It's difficult because it's very difficult to see down there. There is a very swift current.

So, it's going to have to be a pretty massive effort, but he said the government of India is willing to put the resources behind it to do whatever it takes to further confirm these discoveries.

I also spoke in Hyderabad with an independent archaeologist not connected with the Indian government, but who has a deep interest in these discoveries and he says they are still going to have to send divers down there. Up to this point, they have not sent divers down.

The information they have is based on the sonar readings and the dredging they have done. Eventually, they are going to have to find a way to get people down there to take a closer look at this. I think this effort is going to go on.

Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of Harvard University, is proposing there should be an international effort here.

On the surface that sounds like a good idea, but it also may be an effort of American archaeologists and others to control the project. I don't think they want to see a civilization being as old as it appears to be according to these new finds at 9500 years ago.

So, I would hope the Indian archaeologists and government would be very cautious about letting outsiders in there who might have a different agenda and who might try to control what gets let out about this very important discovery. It could be quite revolutionary.

Cultural Background of People At Underwater Site?
Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is, if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years.

It is older than the Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.

Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater, if it turns out they are a Vedic people - which I think is quite probable given the location of this off the coast of India - I think that would radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically been written by western archaeologists.

India's Vedic Culture - Was It Really Older Than 3500 Years?
The most archaic Sanskrit (Devanagari) is that of the Vedas, multiple books written in thousands of hymns and verses arranged in song cycles. The Vedas say that "God-men" brought Sanskrit to Earth men as a language of musical tones.

[Faline]

Interesting and cool

[smackem]

Not a single stone cutting tool discovered. :o

Fascinating history here.

[rottenflesh]

Sounds like it is the first time capsule.


Just another example of how much we don't that we don't know.

[güttsfükk]

video & time synch should be fixed now

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Interesting.
Luv the stone carvings and surprised they didn't find any tools.(WHAT STONE CARVINGS?)

"another old civilisation." Civilization*

Primarily, the term has been used to refer to the material and instrumental side of human cultures that are complex in terms of technology, science, and division of labor. Such civilizations are generally urbanized. In a classical context, people were called: "civilized" to set them apart from "Barbarian" people (The Barbarians), while in a modern-day context, "civilized peoples" have been contrasted with "primitive" peoples
I see no sign of civilization. Or even emerging culture. Just a formation that may or may not be an artifact.

Maybe there are more that are even older that the Turkish one.

Surat, India - Marine scientists in India announced they had sonar images of square and rectangular shapes about 130 feet down off the northwestern coast of India in the Gulf of Khambhat (Cambay).

This is not proof of anything more than vague stone formations. Also please show the sonar scans

Not only are their sonar shapes with 90-degree angles,

Once again 90 degree angles is not proof of human activity.

the Indian Minister of Science and Technology ordered that the site be dredged.

Dredging is not archeology

What was found has surprised archaeologists around the world

Only if they are extremely gullible and easily amused

and was the subject of a private meeting two weeks ago attended by the Indian Minister

It was private for a good reason. Dirty deeds are usually kept private. More like extortion, corruption and bribery

in charge of investigating the underwater site about thirty miles off the coast from Surat.

An American who traveled to that private meeting was Michael Cremo, researcher in the history of archaeology for the Bhakti Vedanta Institute in India and author of the book Forbidden Archaeology.

Forbidden Archeology has been criticized for failing to test simpler hypotheses before proceeding to propose more complex ones (a violation of Occam's razor); and for cherry picking outdated evidence (often from the 19th and early 20th centuries) that supports the authors' position, while ignoring or ridiculing more recent information that refutes or challenges their claims.[16] Tom Morrow of the National Center for Science Education noted that Cremo's "specimens no longer exist" and called his work pseudoscience

Cremo is a member of the International Society for Krishna Consciousness and the Bhaktivedanta Institute. He has written several books and articles about Hindu spirituality under the name Drutakarma Dasa. He has also been a contributing editor to the magazine Back to Godhead and a bhakti yoga teacher. Cremo told Contemporary Authors that he decided to devote his life to Krishna in the early 1970s, after receiving a copy of the Bhagavad Gita at a Grateful Dead concert

I talked with him today in India about the dredging operation, what the ocean engineers found and the implications of first carbon dating of artifacts at more than 9,000 years.

Michael Cremo, Researcher of Ancient Archaeology
and Author, Forbidden Archaeology

"Within the past few months, the engineers began some dredging operations there and they pulled up human fossil bones, fossil wood, stone tools, pieces of pottery and many other things that indicated that it indeed was a human habitation site that they had.

These people seem to lose sight of the fact that dredging destroys any arheological context. What may indeed be rubble from tidal waves and underwater avalaches or other debris is now indeed nothing more than interesting rubble.

And they were able to do more intensive sonar work there and were able to identify more structures. They appeared to have been laid out on the bank of a river that had been flowing from the Indian subcontinent out into that area.

ON a positive note the author and his sources have a great imagination.

According to the news releases, they have done a radiocarbon testing on a piece of wood from the underwater site that is now yielding an age of 9,500 years which would place it near the end of the last Ice Age.

Might it not be also deposited by that very same ice age? Ancient sea drift that got water logged?

Yes, those are the indications that are coming. There were actually two radiocarbon dates: one about 7500 years old and another about 9500 years old.

The 9500 year old one seems to be the strongest one. That's the one they are going with. This was announced by Minister Joshi (Murli Manohar Joshi is Indian Minister for Ocean Technology) at this meeting I attended in Hyderabad, India.

He said there is going to be more work going on. It's difficult because it's very difficult to see down there. There is a very swift current.

It's even more difficult to see down there when NO ONE HAS BEEN DOWN THERE!

So, it's going to have to be a pretty massive effort, but he said the government of India is willing to put the resources behind it to do whatever it takes to further confirm these discoveries.

I also spoke in Hyderabad with an independent archaeologist not connected with the Indian government, but who has a deep interest in these discoveries and he says they are still going to have to send divers down there. Up to this point, they have not sent divers down.

That might be why they can't see down there.

The information they have is based on the sonar readings and the dredging they have done.

Which is useless and proves nothing

Eventually, they are going to have to find a way to get people down there to take a closer look at this. I think this effort is going to go on.

I can smell the rivers of cash that will flow down there.

Now, another American archaeologist, Richard Meadows of Harvard University, is proposing there should be an international effort here.

If he gets on it will be the only bit of credibility they have and don't be surprised if he boots them off the team.

On the surface that sounds like a good idea, but it also may be an effort of American archaeologists and others to control the project.

Ha,Ha. Like I said. They are already circling the wagons to keep the ocean of cash to themselves.

I don't think they want to see a civilization being as old as it appears to be according to these new finds at 9500 years ago.

The old, "He hates us" defense.

So, I would hope the Indian archaeologists and government would be very cautious about letting outsiders in there who might have a different agenda and who might try to control what gets let out about this very important discovery. It could be quite revolutionary.

You mean like that private meeting you had? Does it frighten you that another researcher might have a different opinion? Or he might let out too much information and ruin your little project when the government funding is stopped.

Cultural Background of People At Underwater Site?
Even if we don't know what the cultural background of the people is, if it does happen to be a city that is 9500 years old, that is older than the Sumerian civilization by several thousand years.

He must by now have artists depictions to bait the government funding team.

It is older than the Egyptian, older than the Chinese. So it would radically affect our whole picture of the development of urban civilization on this planet.

OMG please send money now. It's the latest greatest thing. The very best. I'm gonna be famous and filthy rich!

Now, if it further happens that additional research is able to identify the culture of the people who lived in that city that's now underwater, if it turns out they are a Vedic people

I am sure that with enough funding and privacy we can prove this beyond any doubt

- which I think is quite probable given the location of this off the coast of India - I think that would radically change the whole picture of Indian history which has basically been written by western archaeologists.

Damn that effing whitey, he makes us look so stupid

India's Vedic Culture - Was It Really Older Than 3500 Years?
The most archaic Sanskrit (Devanagari) is that of the Vedas, multiple books written in thousands of hymns and verses arranged in song cycles. The Vedas say that "God-men" brought Sanskrit to Earth men as a language of musical tones.

Blah blah blah. hahaha!

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[Wolf]

Nice find.

[lkduke3]

Not only did they not find any tools but if I read correctly, they didn't find any burial sites. ??