[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

First off all let me say from the gate that i'm not a fan of Brock Lesnar, nor do I watch pro wrestling. I do however respect what Lesnar has done with his limited time in the game and also his ongoing battle with diverticulitis that sidelined him back in 09. That being said, his pay-per-view sales alone justify Lesnar as one of the most popular and watched fighters to ever enter the Octagon.

Regarding his ped use, the UFC has a strict policy against the use of any illegal performance enhancing drugs or masking agents, which Brock never tested positive for under the ufc banner. Whether or not he was using PED'S in wwf it's completely inapplicable regarding his mma career.

Lastly, there’s no denying that Lesnar faced the absolute best of the best from his first day in the UFC to the last time he stepped out of Octagon. If you think he was "protected and cuddled" by fighting Frank Mir, Heath Herring, Randy Couture, Frank Mir again, Shane Carwin, Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem, then you sir have no real understanding of the sport and/or history of it.

Horseshit.

He was caught previously, and when he was in the UFC the testing was an absolute joke. For you to not even question how he could get part of his intestinal tract removed, lose 100+ lbs and then regain it within a year? Yeah, I'm sure that was all natural

Mir? Not that good, beat him the first time they fought, probably the weakest wrestling skills in the history of the heavyweight division other than Pat Barry. A hand picked opponent.

Shane Carwin? Almost beat him the first time, and again nothing special. Who of significance did Carwin ever defeat?

Couture? A light heavyweight at the end of his career? Yeah, sure.

And everyone else you mentioned destroyed him.


We're not talking about how many PPV buys he sold, we're talking about his level of skill and how he'd fare today. And he's not a top 5, maybe not even a top 10.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Horseshit.

He was caught previously, and when he was in the UFC the testing was an absolute joke. For you to not even question how he could get part of his intestinal tract removed, lose 100+ lbs and then regain it within a year? Yeah, I'm sure that was all natural

Mir? Not that good, beat him the first time they fought, probably the weakest wrestling skills in the history of the heavyweight division other than Pat Barry. A hand picked opponent.

Shane Carwin? Almost beat him the first time, and again nothing special. Who of significance did Carwin ever defeat?

Couture? A light heavyweight at the end of his career? Yeah, sure.

And everyone else you mentioned destroyed him.


We're not talking about how many PPV buys he sold, we're talking about his level of skill and how he'd fare today. And he's not a top 5, maybe not even a top 10.

He was caught previously, and when he was in the UFC the testing was an absolute joke. For you to not even question how he could get part of his intestinal tract removed, lose 100+ lbs and then regain it within a year? Yeah, I'm sure that was all natural

I'm usually the first one to admit that there's a PED epidemic in every professional sport. When you look at sports like baseball or tennis or some other non-contact sport, they're not usually punching each other in the face. MMA is a sport where you're really putting your life in somebody else's hands potentially, so therefore there should be more stringent drug testing than most sports and there is. Far more.

Remember, professional athletes get paid for the numbers they produce and they get paid well doing it. They work in camps with physicians, strength and conditioning coaches and nutritionists who understand the half-life of these drugs, how long it takes to wash out of the system. It's very easy for an athlete to manipulate drug testing.

[Illusion]

Re: Brock Lesnar, do you have any evidence to back up your claim concerning his previously failed ped test in mma? "He was caught previously," with what, where and by whom?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

Re: Brock Lesnar, do you have any evidence to back up your claim concerning his previously failed ped test in mma? "He was caught previously," with what, where and by whom?

He was caught by the police in a controlled delivery while in the WWE, and charged with trafficking.
Oddly though the charges were later dropped by the DA....... Surely you can figure that one out.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

I'm usually the first one to admit that there's a PED epidemic in every professional sport. When you look at sports like baseball or tennis or some other non-contact sport, they're not usually punching each other in the face. MMA is a sport where you're really putting your life in somebody else's hands potentially, so therefore there should be more stringent drug testing than most sports and there is. Far more.

Remember, professional athletes get paid for the numbers they produce and they get paid well doing it. They work in camps with physicians, strength and conditioning coaches and nutritionists who understand the half-life of these drugs, how long it takes to wash out of the system. It's very easy for an athlete to manipulate drug testing.

I agree completely.

He thing is though, it's just like what happened in baseball. If the organization is profiting from it too, where's the incentive to catch these guys?

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

He was caught by the police in a controlled delivery while in the WWE, and charged with trafficking.
Oddly though the charges were later dropped by the DA....... Surely you can figure that one out.

You're so full of shit. Niknik is starting to be more believable at this point.

Why don't you post a link containing the full story? He was arrested for what the police thought were illegal substances (steroids) and was charged for trafficking in controlled substances charge. Lab test results proved that they were not illegal substances and the charges were then dropped.

"Oddly though the charges were later dropped by the DA."

You think?


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshot...s/brock-lesnar

[GregK]

Why don't they just, I don't know, donate the money spent on that 60-80k car and donate it or something?
To the car door crushed children association

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

You're so full of shit. Niknik is starting to be more believable at this point.

Why don't you post a link containing the full story? He was arrested for what the police thought were illegal substances (steroids) and was charged for trafficking in controlled substances charge. Lab test results proved that they were not illegal substances and the charges were then dropped.


You think?


http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshot...s/brock-lesnar

What the fuck do you think the DA says publicly when someone rolls over on a supplier for a reduced sentence or dropping the charges? Are you really this stupid?
You think that the DA would go to all that trouble, spend all that money and do a fucking controlled delivery without analyzing the contents? You realize what a controlled delivery is?

Holy fuck....

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

What the fuck do you think the DA says publicly when someone rolls over on a supplier for a reduced sentence or dropping the charges? Are you really this stupid?
You think that the DA would go to all that trouble, spend all that money and do a fucking controlled delivery without analyzing the contents? You realize what a controlled delivery is?

Holy fuck....

Now you're just name calling and backpeddeling like a greaseball.

You're the guy that also accused Jon Jones, GSP, Jonney Hendricks and Robbie Lawler of taking steroids with absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. I see the way you work son and you're full of shit.

Get lost.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

Now you're just name calling and backpeddeling like a greaseball.

You're the guy that also accused Jon Jones, GSP, Jonney Hendricks and Robbie Lawler of taking steroids with absolutely no evidence to back up your claims. I see the way you work son and you're full of shit.

Get lost.

Yep, I'm the guy that has been saying for years that drug testing in combat sports was an absolute joke, and that anyone that wanted to could could away with it, and they only get caught when they make a mistake.

And now, lo and behold, after endless incidents the UFC and certain athletic commissions have implemented real testing that might actually make a difference.

And you are STILL clinging to the fact that a person didn't fail a test, even though the previous testing methods have been officially proven useless.

I'm not back peddling at all
I don't recall ever making accusations about Hendrix or Lawler, but Jones?
Yeah, I'm sure that having the Testosterone levels of an 80 year old woman is perfectly natural for a man in his late 20's competing in one of the most physically gruelling sports on Earth

Lance Armstrong passed tests for a decade..... Barry Bonds never tested positive either...... Guess what? Doesn't mean anything.