[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by robot ↗

Lol .... That day sucked (understatement). Emotions were high and, as much as I disliked GW, I too rallied behind the flag. And ya know what, there's nothing wrong w/ that - it's not proof of false flag or being duped.

Did we enable folks like the Taliban and Al Qaeda when it suited our purpose ... well, it's a fair assumption that we could've or did. Does it mean our own country committed a crime against its citizens .... I'm not going to cloud a debate on whether it was planes doing the actual destruction all around w/ whether it was also a conspiracy.

There's another really good site - "Screw Loose Change" that basically says/takes the approach that in the same way emotions may have run high or possibly gotten away from us on that day b/c of the terrorist act, the truthers do the same thing w/ Loose Change (just have to watch the first 3 minutes of the video to see what I mean - it takes them a long time to make a point, if any, with random points of reference).

It's a fact - planes hit the WTC, PA and the Pentagon. If Chuckee Cheese was flying them, prove it b/c until then, that day is what it was.

Thank you man, well said. Did you see where I added the stuff about WTC # 7 in Chey's thread yet ?

[Mkx240]

A few more rare ones. First one was taken from the 48th floor of the North Tower by George Mironis shortly after 8:46 AM. Second one was shot from the 35th floor of the South Tower by Dave Bobbitt.

Source: http://timeline.national911memorial.org/#/Explore/2/ Check it out. Has some security camera footage of the collapse.

[dandroid]

for those interested in the state of consciousness of those falling...i spoke to a cognitive theorist who believes that in a lot of cases, the brain would mercifully alter its perceptual awareness to protect the individual...for instance, there was the woman who, as she fell, kept adjusting her skirt to protect her dignity..that isn't a reasonable behavior under the circumstances...furthermore..in the moments as they clung to the facade...there had to have been numerous cases of what's called total acceptance...where the individual no longer fears and suffers...but rather perceives the trauma as liberation...food for thought

[banana dick]

Originally Posted by intre ↗

i think there's too much left of him to be a wtc jumper. i'm just judging from other pics i've seen.

he could have jumped from a lower level than the other people who jumped. but of course he could have been killed by debris, killed in the building and ended up outside, or it could be from a different event all together.

[intre]

Originally Posted by banana dick ↗

he could have jumped from a lower level than the other people who jumped. but of course he could have been killed by debris, killed in the building and ended up outside, or it could be from a different event all together.

You got a good point there. What was the lowest floor people have jumped off? Are there any reports?

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by banana dick ↗

he could have jumped from a lower level than the other people who jumped. but of course he could have been killed by debris, killed in the building and ended up outside, or it could be from a different event all together.

If I'm not badly mistaken, he was a guy that got run over in Russia by a big truck, or bus. A firefighter had the picture up saying it was a jumper, but he wasn't.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by dandroid ↗

for those interested in the state of consciousness of those falling...i spoke to a cognitive theorist who believes that in a lot of cases, the brain would mercifully alter its perceptual awareness to protect the individual...for instance, there was the woman who, as she fell, kept adjusting her skirt to protect her dignity..that isn't a reasonable behavior under the circumstances...furthermore..in the moments as they clung to the facade...there had to have been numerous cases of what's called total acceptance...where the individual no longer fears and suffers...but rather perceives the trauma as liberation...food for thought

Have you ever watched " How it was: the voices of 9/11 " ? To save on confusion, there are two programs called the voices of 9/11 I think, but the one I am talking about was on the National Geographic channel.

A gentleman is talking about being on the phone with a woman trapped in the North Tower. She was describing things to him and then said, " Oh, now people are jumping, what should I do ? Should I jump ? "

Can you imagine being a 911 operator, and a person asking you something like that ? Considering that she got through to the 911 operator at all on 9/11, because there were plenty who did not. I heard one call where it said we can not complete your call due to the emergency in Lower Manhattan.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by intre ↗

You got a good point there. What was the lowest floor people have jumped off? Are there any reports?

I think the lowest floor a person jumped from was around 93 in the North Tower, and the guy fell from the East face of the South Tower climbing down a rope or something around the second skylobby, though technicaly he was not a jumper.

[Billthegravedigger]

It sucks, I know, but it puts things in perspective a little.

[Billthegravedigger]