[ferris209]

Originally Posted by Bletch ↗

Stick to the truth and get facts straight first and you won’t get groaned at. The killer fired from a building 27 stories up. Bunkered in, in a hotel room. How the fuck could anyone who carried at that concert have prevented this? Should all just fired at random up at the building?
I’m sure if the perp had been man enough to try this on the ground he would have failed to killed so many. He was a coward and a retarded idiot who converted to Islam and did this in its name. Let that sink in.

Yep

Again, people with no knowledge of guns, laws, or even an understanding of critical incidents sure come out of the woodwork to Monday morning quarterback the hell out of these sad incidents.

[monkeyblitzkrieg]

The suspect's brother, Eric Paddock, told reporters their father was a bank robber who used to be on the FBI's most wanted list and once escaped from prison.

According to a 1969 poster issued by law enforcement for the fugitive, Patrick Benjamin Paddock was "diagnosed as psychopathic".

One former neighbour said the suspect was a professional gambler and "weird".

[Meridian]

Originally Posted by Bletch ↗

Stick to the truth and get facts straight first and you won’t get groaned at. The killer fired from a building 27 stories up. Bunkered in, in a hotel room. How the fuck could anyone who carried at that concert have prevented this? Should all just fired at random up at the building?
I’m sure if the perp had been man enough to try this on the ground he would have failed to killed so many. He was a coward and a retarded idiot who converted to Islam and did this in its name. Let that sink in.

But that’s exactly my point - he had the advantage on everyone there. He had the arsenal of weapons, the vantage point, the will to harm. No one stood a chance, armed or otherwise. How many mass shooters are taken down by the average Joe? He had the upper hand, handed to him by his right to bear arms.

I know this subject is contentious and I do see how angry people get over it. I don’t see that lives are saved by owning guns. I see the opposite.

And I don’t believe the converted to Islam story. He was just a nutcase.

[tehred]

Originally Posted by mrsmudpie ↗

Imo though Isis would claim responsibility for a teenager shooting off a bb gun in the depths of Yorkshire if they heard about it so not sure I believe it

Hey, we need them BB guns to fend off the chuffin' southerners, yeah?

[mmeroyale]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

It was a gun free zone, tard. And he was a liberal useful idiot, just as you are, which has become just as bad as ISIS.

Also you're right, Brazil isn't the best example with their 25.2 murder per capita as in comparison to America's 4.5, mass shooting included.

you're the one comparing yourself to a country that has had virtually no attention paid to public service efforts in 20 years.
but thank you for being the prime example of my point: no pro-gun even wants to just listen to why others are shocked.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by mmeroyale ↗

you're the one comparing yourself to a country that has had virtually no attention paid to public service efforts in 20 years.
but thank you for being the prime example of my point: no pro-gun even wants to just listen to why others are shocked.

I'm not "pro gun" haven't owned one in years, and I'm not "driven by culture" to have them. I just use rational thinking and logic when seeing both sides of the argument.

So save me the tired old "poverty creates dindus" bullshit. People driven to murder will do it by any means necessary. Guns don't change it. Brazil is a prime example of that.

[FuManBoobs]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

People driven to murder will do it by any means necessary. Guns don't change it.

Yeah, but you have to admit they make it a lot easier to kill more people. Lately they seem to be using cars and trucks too but you can see them coming a lot easier.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by FuManBoobs ↗

Yeah, but you have to admit they make it a lot easier to kill more people. Lately they seem to be using cars and trucks too but you can see them coming a lot easier.

Still. Car, truck, bomb, kitchen knife, guns, it isn't the objects used no matter what's easier or not. The real problems lay underneath and taking away objects doesn't fix shit.

The underlying problems needs to be addressed. Radical ideologies, political violence, racially driven, mental health. All will not go away just taking objects away. No, instead, it empowers them.

In the current sociopolitical climate our society is dishing out, we have every facet of daily influence creating boogeymen. Instilling fear and loathing into the minds of every easily manipulated audience members.

[ferris209]

Originally Posted by FuManBoobs ↗

Yeah, but you have to admit they make it a lot easier to kill more people. Lately they seem to be using cars and trucks too but you can see them coming a lot easier.

So what, exactly, could have prevented and/or stopped this incident? Specifically.

[Meridian]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.b...anada-41472462

According to NBC News , Stephen Paddock recently made several gambling transactions in the tens of thousands of dollars.

He clearly planned the attack because he brought the weapons in but wondering if he tried gambling huge amounts that would mean he did or didn’t go through with it depending on the outcome? Just my theory for the day!