[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson ↗

So very true. A lot disillusioned people feel that religion is to blame. Judge a man (or woman in this case) by their actions and the judgement in their heart. Not by their origin. We are not all the same, and nobody chooses where we're born. People blaming Islam and guns are just using a scapegoat. The real problem is far more deeper than that.

It takes an utterly clueless person to not think that islam is the cause of this and all other such shootings. Religion is at the very heart of damn near all mass shootings. That's just a fact. Hell it's not up for debate any more than whether we need oxygen to survive.

The DEEP problem that you are speaking of IS religion that you give a free pass to. It's DEEPLY entrenched in society and in these people. They believe it DEEPLY. So yes, the problem is deep, but unfortunately so is the bullshit on this issue all too often, lol.

It is wrong though as you say to blame guns. A piece of metal isn't responsible for what it does. It's the person who uses it that does wrong. It's not a hammers fault if you smash your finger with it. How many more people have to die to the sound of some fucking idiot yelling "admiral ackbar" before people wake up and see that islam is a fucking problem that we need to be rid of?

According to all indications, these two fucking nuts fit EVERY single requirement to be called "moderate muslims". Until yesterday that is. You could go down the moderate muslim checklist and check off every box beside these assholes names UNTIL yesterday. So for the moderate muslim lovers on here, there's your moderates for you, lol.

Let me guess, you believe we shouldn't blame the natzi teachings for WW2, but blame each individual german who murdered instead? Lol. Hitler and his teachings didn't cause it any more than muhammed causes islamists to do what they do right? That's the EXACT point of view you represent when you say religion isn't to blame.

Direct question to you specifically, if these nuts didn't get this from islam, where do you think they got it from? The guy was even born in the U.S. for fucks sake. BUT he was one of those moderate muslims who fits in and has conformed to our ways, right???

[crice63]

Originally Posted by tinton ↗

How many mass shootings were committed in the US this year by people of the Islamic Faith? Oh, one. How many mass shootings were done in the U.S. by others? Oh, 352 (353 including the San Bernardino). That's 0.28% of mass shootings done by muslims this year.

You don't really sound too racist, you just sound like a person with special needs.

http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

MAYBE THEY'LL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF, THEN YOU WON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MY NEEDS

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by azdesertsnake01 ↗

It takes an utterly clueless person to not think that islam is the cause of this and all other such shootings. Religion is at the very heart of damn near all mass shootings. That's just a fact. Hell it's not up for debate any more than whether we need oxygen to survive.

The DEEP problem that you are speaking of IS religion that you give a free pass to. It's DEEPLY entrenched in society and in these people. They believe it DEEPLY. So yes, the problem is deep, but unfortunately so is the bullshit on this issue all too often, lol.

It is wrong though as you say to blame guns. A piece of metal isn't responsible for what it does. It's the person who uses it that does wrong. It's not a hammers fault if you smash your finger with it. How many more people have to die to the sound of some fucking idiot yelling "admiral ackbar" before people wake up and see that islam is a fucking problem that we need to be rid of.

According to all indications, these two fucking nuts fit EVERY single requirement to be called "moderate muslims". Until yesterday that is. You could go down the moderate muslim checklist and check off every box beside these assholes names UNTIL yesterday. So for the moderate muslim lovers on here, there's your moderates for you, lol.

I'm not defending Islam. I'm defending freedom of religion. The right to believe or have faith. A Muslim is not a terrorist because of his faith, he's considered a terrorist because he's threatening our way of life, our existence. Religion is not the problem. Same way a gun is a tool, like a hammer you say, so is religion. It's about what you practice when you preach. Men are evil. Religion is just a doctrine of believes. It is men who have corrupted religion.

[crice63]

Originally Posted by RealityUnfolding ↗

FYI, latest news:

The shooter lived in a broken home with an allegedly abusive Dad. Had a dating website profile:



And President Muslim-Lover, claims that it's "mixed" reasons, thus not terror as Obama-friendly media insists it's still "workplace violence".



So the spin on this is, sure, they were gathering stuff for a large scale terrorist attack, and sure he was barely making enough money for himself while supporting his sister and mother... but since he didn't have ALL the bombs and such on them, it was "workplace violence" that triggered them to do it now rather than later... thus it's not reallllllly a terrorist attack...

What do you mean Obama is a Muslim lover, he is Muslim, that's why this country is in the Shit-Fix its in today

[Oswald2001]

Sheik Hussein Obama bin Whitehouse started the Gun Control Dialog -

solely - as a distraction from his trying to destroy the country by importing

MILLIONS of moo slum terrorists.

[crice63]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

There is a ban needed alright.

Finally someone finally had the balls to said it!!!!!

[crice63]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Sheik Hussein Obama bin Whitehouse started the Gun Control Dialog -

solely - as a distraction from his trying to destroy the country by importing

MILLIONS of moo slum terrorists.

DAMN SKIPPY!!

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by crice63 ↗

Finally someone finally had the balls to said it!!!!!

Well, everyone already knows this.

Especially the moo slums.

They, more than anyone else, know very well that they are up to no good.


Look at their 1,400 history.

[azdesertsnake01]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson ↗

I'm not defending Islam. I'm defending freedom of religion. The right to believe or have faith. A Muslim is not a terrorist because of his faith, he's considered a terrorist because he's threatening our way of life, our existence. Religion is not the problem. Same way a gun is a tool, like a hammer you say, so is religion. It's about what you practice when you preach. Men are evil. Religion is just a doctrine of believes. It is men who have corrupted religion.

What about those of us who want freedom FROM religion? Men have corrupted religion? Hell, men INVENTED religion! So religion is what we make it. God didn't create man, man created god. That's a dispute of a whole other time, but it's time to give up on the belief of a man sitting on a cloud up in the sky watching over us.

You have to remember there are countless millions of muslims who either take part in the jihad or support those who do. That shit isn't happening because they listen to the same rap group or watch the same tv channels.

Hell not many of the camel fuckers even own a tv and won't watch it anyhow because they consider it satanic. Islam is the VERY heart of this problem. I don't know how to simplify it any more than to say if islam never existed, would this still be happening? Only someone who is insane and has no clue would answer yes to that question.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Guess things went wrong with him after he met her online and in Saudi Arabia afterwards. Maybe he got under the influence of Radical islam because of her, who knows. It was planned so we can outrule the argument at the party made them go crazy plus the fact she was an active shooter so i think the whole planning was strongly influenced by her. Hope some more of her life in S.A surfaces.

They'll bury anything that points to Saudi Arabia, just like they've been doing for the last 15 years.

Saudi Arabia is the root of ALL of this.