[ralucagymnast]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

They've been antagonizing Taiwan for years now, playing a game with the United States. China does war games just off it's coast, tests missiles etc etc and the United States responds by sending over aircraft carriers.
Taiwan was part of china until the communist revolution, it's government fled there when the mainland was over run.

China has been stealing military secrets and building it's ability for years now. The have increased their military spending by 500% in the last 20 years.
Seriously, just look at what they're doing....... It's fucking scary.
Everybody is focused on Putin, meanwhile china has developed nuclear subs with ballistic missiles, ICBM's, anti satellite missiles, has one aircraft carrier with 3 more planned, stealth technology..... The list is long.

Seriously, look into it if you have a few extra minutes sometime. All of this economic benefit is going into the Chinese military.

Yeah I know what you mean now; do you honestly really think they will make a move on Taiwan? Even though doing so would most certainly provoke a nuclear response from the USA/West?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by ralucagymnast ↗

Yeah I know what you mean now; do you honestly really think they will make a move on Taiwan? Even though doing so would most certainly provoke a nuclear response from the USA/West?

I don't know.

When a country increases it's spending that much, in that short timeframe, and develops this kind of weaponry, it's planning something

They're the second biggest military spender next to the US, and growing every day.

[bob351]

I don't think they are anything like mao, that guy was hardline communist, split from the soviets for their revisionism and friendliness towards america.

Plus china right now is far too dependent on the us and the west. Not only for random shit but they are the largest importer of food in the world, they cant feed themselves, hence them buying up american food companies like smithfield. They also import a shit load of fertilizer for their depleted shit farmlands so they can grow anything. Its a shit agricultural nation if it had to sustain itself.

20 years IMO is far too short of a time frame, I do think there will be a showdown but its far to early for china to start fucking up the good thing they have going, their military and navy is a fucking joke compares to the states.

[bob351]

Maybe I am underestimating their current abilities and how quickly they could ramp it up.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by bob351 ↗

I don't think they are anything like mao, that guy was hardline communist, split from the soviets for their revisionism and friendliness towards america.

Plus china right now is far too dependent on the us and the west. Not only for random shit but they are the largest importer of food in the world, they cant feed themselves, hence them buying up american food companies like smithfield. They also import a shit load of fertilizer for their depleted shit farmlands so they can grow anything. Its a shit agricultural nation if it had to sustain itself.

20 years IMO is far too short of a time frame, I do think there will be a showdown but its far to early for china to start fucking up the good thing they have going, their military and navy is a fucking joke compares to the states.

Harper sold them a chunk of our oil sands too. They're trying to get whatever resources from us they can.

Economically they're different than Mao, they had to to survive....... They looked at what happened to Cuba, Russia and North Korea and they learned from it.
I dunno, other than economics I don't think they're attitude towards us is different
Seriously, look at their military advancements too, it's staggering.

[niknik]

If you were born and raised in N Korea, you wouldn't know America was in ww2. You wouldn't know America defeated Japan, or dropped any nuclear weapons on Japan. They are taught that Korea defeated Japan. And they are taught America split Korea and has enslaved the south. And the North must one day free the South from the American tyrant.

In many ways the North is like Nazi Germany. Where they want a pure bloodline. And if a North Korean women becomes pregnant by someone with say Chinese blood, the woman will be beaten till she miscarried. And instead of Jews, they persecute Christians, and will kill their citizens if they even speak to a Christian.
They must have a wall in every home with photos of their leadership, they must wear a badge over their hearts that has the image of the leader whenever in public.
When you're born, based on your families history, your life is already decided for you. Whether you go to school, or what kind of job you eventually receive. Are solely based on your families status with the dictator. And how accessible food will be your entire life.

[TheVrist]

(CNN) -- The blame game over "The Interview" is intensifying.
At the heart of the widening controversy are North Korea's role in the devastating cyberattack on Sony Pictures and the studio's decision to pull the film amid threats against moviegoers.
The crisis has rippled out into international relations, business plans, Hollywood gossip and party politics.
The different sides kept up their sparring over the weekend, with President Barack Obama accusing North Korea of "cybervandalism" and Pyongyang claiming that the U.S. government was behind the making of the movie.
Here's the lowdown on who's saying what:

North Korea's rage over the Seth Rogen film about a plot to assassinate its leader, Kim Jong Un, continues to boil.
After the FBI's assertions that North Korea was responsible for a hack into Sony's computer systems, Kim's regime is still steadfastly denying involvement. On Saturday, it said the U.S. accusations were "an attempt to frame us for this crime" and suggested the two countries work together to investigate the hacking.
But by Sunday, it was making less conciliatory noises, offering the bizarre claim that it had "clear evidence that the U.S. administration was deeply involved in the making of such dishonest reactionary movie."
North Korea also stepped up its threatening rhetoric, warning the United States that it is targeting its "citadels."
"Our toughest counteraction will be boldly taken against the White House, the Pentagon and the whole U.S. mainland, the cesspool of terrorism," the statement carried by North Korean state media said.
President Obama
The U.S. President told CNN on Sunday that the hack was "an act of cybervandalism that was very costly, very expensive" but that he doesn't consider it an act of war.
Obama said in the interview that the United States is going review whether to put North Korea back on a list of states that sponsor terrorism.
The President had previously said at a news conference Friday that the United States will "respond proportionally" to the attack on Sony without giving specifics.
Obama has also chided Sony for its actions, saying he that thinks the studio made "a mistake" in pulling the movie and that he wished the company had called him first.
He expressed concerns to CNN's Candy Crowley on Sunday about the broader implications of pulling "The Interview."
"If we set a precedent in which a dictator in another country can disrupt through cyber, a company's distribution chain or its products, and as a consequence we start censoring ourselves, that's a problem," Obama said.
Sony
Sony Entertainment Chief Executive Michael Lynton has defended the company's actions, denying that the studio had "caved" by scrapping the planned release of "The Interview" in theaters.
He told CNN that Obama and the public "are mistaken as to what actually happened."
In an interview with Fareed Zakaria that aired Sunday, he blamed movie theater companies that opted not to show the film, saying they forced Sony's hand.
"We do not own movie theaters," Lynton said. "We cannot determine whether or not a movie will be played in movie theaters."
He also opened the door to a future release of the controversial comedy, saying the company is considering some sort of release on the Internet.
"We have always have had every desire to have the American public see this movie," Lynton said.
In a statement released Sunday, the company said: "No decisions have been made. Sony is still exploring options for distribution."
The hackers
On Saturday, the Guardians of Peace, the group of hackers who claim responsibility for the cyberattack on Sony, mocked the FBI in a new statement.
"The result of investigation by FBI is so excellent that you might have seen what we were doing with your own eye," said the statement posted on the file-sharing website pastebin. "We congratulate you (sic) success. FBI is the BEST in the world. You will find the gift for FBI at the following address. Enjoy!"
The link provided in the message leads to a YouTube video titled "You Are An Idiot."
The FBI investigation linked the malware, infrastructure and techniques used by the Guardians of Peace in the Sony hack to previous North Korean cyberattacks.
In its comments Sunday, North Korea said that "fighters for justice" including the Guardians of Peace "are sharpening bayonets not only in the U.S. mainland but in all other parts of the world."
China
North Korea's closest ally has so far been staying out of the fray.
But a senior Obama administration official told CNN on Saturday that United States has asked China for help battling North Korean hacking.
North Korea's Internet traffic goes through China. Obama has said there's no indication that North Korea "was acting in conjunction with another country."
Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi spoke by phone with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Sunday night, China's Foreign Ministry said in a statement posted on its website Monday.
Wang stressed that China opposes all forms of cyberattacks and cyberterrorism, the statement said, omitting any mention of North Korea.
U.S. Republicans

In Washington, Republican Sen. John McCain criticized Obama's response to the Sony hacking.
He rejected Obama's characterization of the North Korean hack as "an act of cybervandelism," instead calling it "a new form of warfare" on CNN's State of the Union.
The President does not understand that this is a manifestation of a new form of warfare when you destroy economies, when you are able to impose censorship," McCain, a Republican from Arizona, said. "It's more than vandalism. It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in and we need to react and we need to react vigorously."
The Republican National Committee urged cinema chains to show the movie.
In a letter to their CEOs, RNC chairman Reince Priebus wrote: "As a sign of my commitment, if you agree to show this movie, I will send a note to the Republican Party's millions of donors and supporters urging them to buy a ticket -- not to support one movie or Hollywood, but to show North Korea we cannot be bullied into giving up our freedom."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/22/world/...html?hpt=hp_c2

[niknik]

I have doubts it will ever be in theaters, but if it does it would be pretty cool if it breaks sales records.
I'd be happy if they just released it in any form, be even cooler if we air dropped millions of dvds in North Korea. But that would probably start something that's not worth starting.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

If you were born and raised in N Korea, you wouldn't know America was in ww2. You wouldn't know America defeated Japan, or dropped any nuclear weapons on Japan. They are taught that Korea defeated Japan. And they are taught America split Korea and has enslaved the south. And the North must one day free the South from the American tyrant.

In many ways the North is like Nazi Germany. Where they want a pure bloodline. And if a North Korean women becomes pregnant by someone with say Chinese blood, the woman will be beaten till she miscarried. And instead of Jews, they persecute Christians, and will kill their citizens if they even speak to a Christian.
They must have a wall in every home with photos of their leadership, they must wear a badge over their hearts that has the image of the leader whenever in public.
When you're born, based on your families history, your life is already decided for you. Whether you go to school, or what kind of job you eventually receive. Are solely based on your families status with the dictator. And how accessible food will be your entire life.

Scary stuff.

They'd probably fight to the last living human if there was ever open warfare, because they have no concept of how the rest of the world is.

And china supports this

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Scary stuff.

They'd probably fight to the last living human if there was ever open warfare, because they have no concept of how the rest of the world is.

And china supports this

Conservative china is like this as well.