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Old 09-22-2015, 01:26 PM
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Cops in the Texas city shot motorcyclists, arrested all the witnesses, and have since prohibited them from speaking out under penalty of contempt.

Four months after a shootout left 9 bikers dead at the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco, Texas, prompting the arrest of 177 people, many of them presumably innocent, authorities are still denying the public access to key pieces of evidence, including video. The legal fate of arrestees still hangs in the balance. And it still isn’t known how many of the dead bikers were killed by bullets that police officers fired.

But police bullets did hit some of the bikers, the Associated Press reports after reviewing 8,800 pages of evidence apparently leaked to the news organization. “The gunfire included rounds fired by police that hit bikers, though it isn't clear whether those rifle shots caused any of the fatalities,” Emily Schmall reports. “Investigators have offered scant details about what sparked the fight or how the gunfire played out, and no one has been charged.” 18 bikers were wounded but survived the melee.

Lawyers in the case have seen “dashboard video of people fleeing the scene while shots ring out, audio of police threatening to shoot people if they rise from the ground and photos of bodies lying in pools of blood in the restaurant parking lot,” AP adds. But neither police nor defense attorneys are talking about the evidence due to a broad gag order that a coalition of media organizations is challenging as unconstitutional. It was imposed by a judge who is a former law partner of the local district attorney.

The foreman of the grand jury that will decide who to indict is a Waco detective.

“The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals could go a long way toward airing out this story by nullifying the gag order,” the Dallas Morning News editorialized last week. “It’s unclear how soon it will rule on that request. With so much suspicion permeating this case, the court would be wise to take the side of much-needed transparency.”

As Patrick Metze, a Texas Tech law school professor, told the Houston Chronicle, "Any time a prosecutor's office does not want people talking about something, one should raise a red flag. They may say it is to protect the investigation, but they are protecting themselves from whatever it is that they don't want us to see or know about."

In addition to the most pressing question––how many of the bikers were killed by government-issued lead––it would be useful to know what role, if any, local authorities or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, a bureaucracy with a stunning recent history of misconduct, played in provoking the fight. It would also be salubrious to hear the stories of the bikers themselves. At present, scores of people who did nothing wrong, but live under threat of prosecution for murder, are unable to share their experiences with the greater public.

The authorities have gagged them at their moment of greatest need.

If it turns out that some of the bikers in Waco died from police bullets, authorities will have shot people dead, arrested all the witnesses, and prohibited them from speaking out under penalty of contempt. It’s long past time for state overseers to step in.

The local justice system in Waco is a farce.
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Old 09-22-2015, 05:35 PM
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I so disagree with this narrative.

People had guns and were shooting other people.. Of course the cops shot some people.

From what I've read and heard, most of the killing was recorded. So I highly doubt the police are doing a cover up of any kind. It's not unusual for police to keep things from the media during investigations. Especially when you have "witnesses" who may only testify if they are protected.

Not too mention the ATF, FBI, and the Texas Rangers are all involved in the investigation.
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Old 09-23-2015, 04:13 AM
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"The foreman of the grand jury that will decide who to indict is a Waco detective."



Oh, the gag order? "It was imposed by a judge who is a former law partner of the local district attorney." (ie, it will be in place forever.)


The grand jury will be a joke.

And no one will care because no one "important" got shot.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:19 AM
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Don't f*ck around in violent criminal enterprises.

You won't go to prison

And...

You won't get shot.
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I think the biggest question here is whether or not LE fire killed bystanders. None of the bikers were among the fatalities, but there were "bodies lying in pools of blood in the parking lot."

How much sense does the notion of the bikers shooting bystanders as the latter is fleeing the establishment make to anyone else? What are the odds that trigger-happy cops and agents shot the wrong people by mistake?
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More cop bullshit, geez.
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"The foreman of the grand jury that will decide who to indict is a Waco detective."



Oh, the gag order? "It was imposed by a judge who is a former law partner of the local district attorney." (ie, it will be in place forever.)


The grand jury will be a joke.

And no one will care because no one "important" got shot.
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Don't f*ck around in violent criminal enterprises.

You won't go to prison

And...

You won't get shot.
What? make sense will you.
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I think the biggest question here is whether or not LE fire killed bystanders. None of the bikers were among the fatalities, but there were "bodies lying in pools of blood in the parking lot."

How much sense does the notion of the bikers shooting bystanders as the latter is fleeing the establishment make to anyone else? What are the odds that trigger-happy cops and agents shot the wrong people by mistake?
When things fly-over people's heads, and they wonder why they argue against their own points.

There is a new mental disorder rampant among people nowadays, what is it called again?
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Old 09-24-2015, 04:50 PM
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I think the biggest question here is whether or not LE fire killed bystanders. None of the bikers were among the fatalities, but there were "bodies lying in pools of blood in the parking lot."

How much sense does the notion of the bikers shooting bystanders as the latter is fleeing the establishment make to anyone else? What are the odds that trigger-happy cops and agents shot the wrong people by mistake?
Who said no bikers were killed? Because that's not what I heard.
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Don't f*ck around in violent criminal enterprises.

You won't go to prison

And...

You won't get shot.
All biker clubs arent crimminal enterprises, but the FBI has these guys on their radar.

Crimminal enterprise? If there is ANY question, police are going to open up on them.
That is the way it is.
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Overwhelmingly the motorcycle clubs are criminal enterprises.

Why do you think that they regularly fight?

They're just gangs fighting over illegal money making territories and revenue streams.
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Overwhelmingly motorcycle clubs are yuppie weekend riders, and the fringe name-brands have majority non-criminal weekend hobbyist chapters.

They have a few within ranks that take part in it. Half the time, you can't tell if it is FBI ATF or any branch of government being the actual perp.
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Overwhelmingly the motorcycle clubs are criminal enterprises.

Why do you think that they regularly fight?

They're just gangs fighting over illegal money making territories and revenue streams.
Right, the majority are criminals that why the outlaw groups wear the 1% patch
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Who said no bikers were killed? Because that's not what I heard.
Just going by what I thought I read above.
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Oh, okay, nevermind. 9 dead bikers are mentioned once in the very first sentence of this... dubiously constructed article. I guess the part about "18 bikers were injured but survived the melee" stuck a little better.

Oh, well, fuck it. They started it, they got shot. I don't care now.
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Right, the majority are criminals that why the outlaw groups wear the 1% patch
I thought the 1% referred to the guys *within* a biker gang that would do for the gang the kind of shit that even the other 99% wouldn't touch or didn't have the stomach for...?
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1% are the amount of motorcycle enthusiast that don't abide by the AMA code of conduct- historical shit, with very little relevance anymore.
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Oh, okay, nevermind. 9 dead bikers are mentioned once in the very first sentence of this... dubiously constructed article. I guess the part about "18 bikers were injured but survived the melee" stuck a little better.

Oh, well, fuck it. They started it, they got shot. I don't care now.
Who started it? I was under the impression that was one of the unanswered questions.

Maybe I read it incorrectly too.
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Supposedly the bikers started it.
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