[Illusion]

Did you guys just ignore the fact that the pit bull ban in Ontario is actually working?

Why are more and more Provences/States opting pitbull bans?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by mr black ↗

Did you guys just ignore the fact that the pit bull ban in Ontario is actually working?

Why are more and more Provences/States opting pitbull bans?

ProVince..... Look into it

My guess would be that the degenerates that had the biting pits have not figured out that there are bigger, meaner dogs available.

I see it as being the same as gun ownership- The weapon is part of the issue, the other is lack of training or respect.

[rob666]

Just from my little bit of researching, there seems to be some debate among the dog community regarding human aggression.
There seems to be a lot of people that will defend the dogs ( pits ) to the bitter end no matter what the dog has done. Even if it killed someone they'd find a reason to say the dog can be "rehabilitated".

There are also a lot of people that say that prey drive can be dangerous towards human children. The reason is human children tend to make similar noises as potential prey, the size, and sporadic movements.
A lot of people feel that a dog that has attacked other animals out of prey drive poses a threat to children, out of the same drive.

[CrunchyCripple]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

There are also a lot of people that say that prey drive can be dangerous towards human children. The reason is human children tend to make similar noises as potential prey, the size, and sporadic movements.
A lot of people feel that a dog that has attacked other animals out of prey drive poses a threat to children, out of the same drive.

A dog that has high prey drive and hasn't been socialized with children can be dangerous to have around babies/kids, because they do act like prey.

Since dogs are predators, it's very important to socialize them with all sorts of different people, so they won't be fearful and/or get the wrong idea about the tiny squeaky things that smell like yummy poop and food.

Don't ever forget what a dog is, before it is labeled as a domesticated companion. No matter how well behaved. It may act like your kid's sibling in a fur suit, but don't forget what it is.

Good breeders will socialize their puppies starting weeks before they're ready to go to their new homes. It's very important to set them up for the rest of their lives. It really does matter.

As for the people who refuse to put a dog down, no matter how severe the reason - I find them sad and scary. I do understand that the individual dog needs to be looked at in the individual curcumstance. That being said, if the person who owns the dog can't see that the dog is unstable, or in an environment that's causing it to act out of fear or be defensive - they absolutely should not have the dog, or any other dog - because they will most likely fail it too.

[CrunchyCripple]

Originally Posted by mr black ↗

Again you dismiss the actual facts and continue to blame others. Not only is the pit bull ban working, all dog related bites resulting in deaths have dropped! So what does that tell you? The ban is basically teaching dog owners of every breed to smarten the fuck up.

So I guess you're ok with innocent people's dogs, who don't have a drop of pit bull blood in them, to be taken away and destroyed, all because some animal control officer thinks it might be a pit bull mix?

That's cool. As long as those filthy Pit Bulls are being wiped out. Who gives a shit about the casualties, right?

[TheVrist]

While breeding for a line that is spacific for "other animals" may seem like a viable responciable breeding practice, in the pit-bull world, this has not been the rule of thumb for the majority.

Lets face it, they have been a brand name, so irresponsible breeders have been breeding dogs that show ANY sign of aggression.

People in the dog fighting world, don't have the time, nor the care too trait focus breed dogs for several generations to cement that particular quality. Especially for a disposable animal (in their minds) they simply don't care if the dog has natural characteristics to love humans.

Unfortunately for those who know the real breed will suffer, because they are the minority owners of a epidemic of asshole breeders that don't care what they let tie up.

People can argue facts about the dog all they want, and they're all true, but truth doesn't always fix human error. The only way to end the problem, is to end the brand all together.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

ProVince..... Look into it

My guess would be that the degenerates that had the biting pits have not figured out that there are bigger, meaner dogs available.

I see it as being the same as gun ownership- The weapon is part of the issue, the other is lack of training or respect.

Most of the bigger dogs available aren't as cheap. Pit bulls can be expensive, but you can a lot of times find them for free. A bull mastiff will cost you several hundred dollars.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

Most of the bigger dogs available aren't as cheap. Pit bulls can be expensive, but you can a lot of times find them for free. A bull mastiff will cost you several hundred dollars.

I sell my AKC bullmastiffs for over a thousand.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by TheVrist ↗

I sell my AKC bullmastiffs for over a thousand.

They're one of my favorite breeds, my uncle has always had two. I'd like to have one, maybe one day. But it's good they're expensive, keeps them out of the hands of people who don't love the dog. Most people won't pay a thousand for a dog they will just put in the backyard and ignore.

[TheVrist]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

They're one of my favorite breeds, my uncle has always had two. I'd like to have one, maybe one day. But it's good they're expensive, keeps them out of the hands of people who don't love the dog. Most people won't pay a thousand for a dog they will just put in the backyard and ignore.

Very true. I still keep in contact with all the people my pups went too. They get the best care money can buy.

Bullmastiffs are a great example of trait breeding as well. Their natural personalities are still historically accurate, but reputable breeders thrive to make sure aggression of any kind is left out.

We are starting to see backyard breeders trying to cash in on a piece of the pie though, but they are creating horrid examples of the breed. I am sure this is what is happening with the pitbull community, just in mass numbers.

Most back yard results are never true to their breed. Most end up with erratic blood lines, most if not all end up with breeds that was never originally introduced in the real breed.

Pitbulls are among the easiest "re-creation" breeds that backyard breeders can deal in. Namely because outside of registry, pitbulls have very little uniformity in confirmation. Where as the bullmastiffs have very uniformed confirmations.