[rob666]

This might not make me very popular, but I still feel that the biggest casualty on 9/11 was our rights as citizens

The patriot act, the NSA surveillance....... And even what makes us different, the right to a fair trial, with a jury of our peers, it's the absolute foundation of our way of life.

It seems that since 9/11, we've lowered ourselves to their standard to some degree, we've given away what makes our way of life better And no doubt, this was part of their goal.

Think about it- if someone 20 years ago told you that every piece of communication you had with anyone was being filtered by the government, you'd probably think it wasn't possible.
Now here we are, slowly headed towards a totalitarian police state.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

This might not make me very popular, but I still feel that the biggest casualty on 9/11 was our rights as citizens

The patriot act, the NSA surveillance....... And even what makes us different, the right to a fair trial, with a jury of our peers, it's the absolute foundation of our way of life.

It seems that since 9/11, we've lowered ourselves to their standard to some degree, we've given away what makes our way of life better And no doubt, this was part of their goal.

Think about it- if someone 20 years ago told you that every piece of communication you had with anyone was being filtered by the government, you'd probably think it wasn't possible.
Now here we are, slowly headed towards a totalitarian police state.

Being popular shouldn't be an issue.

[Illusion]

An interesting documentary from CBC on how Omar Khadr came to be in Guatanamo. Highly recommended to anyone following the case.

The U.S. vs Omar Khadr

[Predator.GW]

Originally Posted by MrCorpse ↗

Poo, Top Gear - You're wrong.

Rob666 - You win the thread.

Hands down, brainwashed.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Predator.GW ↗

Hands down, brainwashed.

Um yeah, ok, predator

[Mr Poo]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

Welcome back, Khadr.

Here are Omar Khadr's bail conditions:

When Omar Khadr is released on $5,000 bail, the clock will stop ticking on the time served toward his eight-year sentence. He also faces numerous conditions, including:

Must wear an electronic monitoring device.

Must live with his lawyer Dennis Edney and wife Patricia in Edmonton.

Must observe a nightly curfew from 10 p.m. to 7 a.m.

Cannot leave Alberta without prior approval, except to visit Edneys' vacation home in B.C.

May only contact his family by telephone or video under Edneys' supervision, and chat must be in English.

May only have in-person visits with his family with prior approval from bail supervisor.

Any Internet access will be restricted and must be monitored and supervised.

SOURCE: Alberta Court of Queen's Bench

Those stipulations sound reasonable..

Knowing all the facts in the case, I'm now somewhat swaying toward acceptance of that verdict.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Mr Poo ↗

Those stipulations sound reasonable..

Knowing all the facts in the case, I'm now somewhat swaying toward acceptance of that verdict.

Anyone who is truly into justice would accept this verdict. He was a victim of a shady military judicial process that trampled his rights to a fair trial. He was held without charges for almost 8 years in the deepest, darkest hole in Gitmo, most likely because any case against him would not stick in a civilian court.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

Anyone who is truly into justice would accept this verdict. He was a victim of a shady military judicial process that trampled his rights to a fair trial. He was held without charges for almost 8 years in the deepest, darkest hole in Gitmo, most likely because any case against him would not stick in a civilian court.

That was the situation of a lot of people that wound up in Gitmo.

For those that had solid evidence against them there was a trial, everyone else wound up in Guantanamo.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by Mr Poo ↗

Those stipulations sound reasonable..

Knowing all the facts in the case, I'm now somewhat swaying toward acceptance of that verdict.

I still wouldn't have a problem with a trial...... I'd like to see what they have against him in open court.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I still wouldn't have a problem with a trial...... I'd like to see what they have against him in open court.

I would like all Americans and Canadians who were involved in the illegal capture and torture of this kid to stand trial in open court. Who the fuck are the war criminals here?