[Pyramid_Head]

Anyone on death row deserves a painful execution.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by Matti ↗

FUCK that, Kanda! FUCKING FUCK that! I adore you but I do NOT agree with you.

Firing squad. Just do it.

you think the government should be in the business of granting and committing revenge killings using tax payers dollars?

revenge killings are a tradition crimes families and drug cartels carry out, not governments. since 1973, over 140 have been exonerated and freed from death row. at least (using a low ball figure) 10 people have been killed by the state as acts of revenge for crimes they likely did not commit. these people were systematically and ritualistically murdered by our government because of the death penalty (which you support).... that is to say, your tax dollars have been used to kill innocent people.



yet another area where America's morality is behind the rest of the majority of the first world

revenge killing is human sacrifice. it is killing to appease and appeal to the emotions of the masses. it is in no way an act centered in morality.

[Kanda444]

Originally Posted by Pyramid_Head ↗

Anyone on death row deserves a painful execution.

since 1973, over 140 have been exonerated and freed from death row. they should have been painfully executed for crimes they didnt commit?

[Photoplay]

Thank you gatagato. Great post with lots of information
Thanks deanmine for your contribution. Read the lot.

I believe in prisons and harsh punishment for crimes committed but not the death sentence.
Could write oodles of reasons why my opinion is so, but most if not all of them have been covered here on this thread already?

Going back to the topic. Oklahoma Botches Clayton Lockett's Execution.
I feel no sympathy for Clayton Lockett.
I do however feel that the state has a responsibility and assurance that a death sentence is quick, clean, and effective.
43 minutes is too long.

[Shakey]

[Darkest Angel]

I'm watching slingblade right now...any questions?

[ghostxtiger]

I have zero sympathy for these pieces of human garbage. I just wish I was there to watch him suffer.

[DiamondSmiles]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001 ↗

Should have fed him to a hog alive.

Let the hog feed on him for a week or so while he dies slowly in agony.

I like it, Oswald!

[DiamondSmiles]

Originally Posted by Kanda444 ↗

since 1973, over 140 have been exonerated and freed from death row. they should have been painfully executed for crimes they didnt commit?

I'm stuck here. I like severe punishment and always think of Cameron Todd Willingham being executed for supposedly killing his two daughters and wife.

He would have probably been released had they waited a couple of months. Another man was released due to new arson forensics.

Just found this article:

LAW & ORDER

PETE YOST, ASSOCIATED PRESS

April 28, 2014

WASHINGTON (AP) — Science and law have led to the exoneration of hundreds of criminal defendants in recent decades, but big questions remain: How many other innocent defendants are locked up? How many are wrongly executed?

About one in twenty-five people imprisoned under a death sentence, is likely innocent, according to a new statistical study appearing in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. And that means it is all but certain that at least several of the 1,320 defendants executed since 1977 were innocent, the study says.

From 1973 to 2004, 1.6 percent of those sentenced to death in the U.S. — 138 prisoners — were exonerated and released because of innocence.

But the great majority of innocent people who are sentenced to death are never identified and freed, says professor Samuel Gross of the University of Michigan Law School, the study's lead author.

The difficulty in identifying innocent inmates stems from the fact that more than 60 percent of prisoners in death penalty cases ultimately are removed from death row and resentenced to life imprisonment. Once that happens, their cases no longer receive the exhaustive reviews that the legal system provides for those on death row.

Gross and three other researchers, including a biostatistics expert, looked at the issue using a technique often used in medical studies called survival analysis. Yale University biostatistics expert Theodore Holford, who wasn't part of the study, said the work done by Gross, "seems to be a reasonable way to look at these data."

Because of various assumptions, it might be best to use the margin of error in the study and say the innocence rate is probably between 2.8 percent and 5.2 percent, said University of South Carolina statistics professor John Grego, who wasn't part of the study.

The study is the first to use solid and appropriate statistical methods to address questions of exoneration or false convictions, an important subject, said Columbia Law School professor Jeffrey Fagan, who also is a professor of epidemiology at the Mailman School of Public Health. The research combines data from three independent sources, a rigorous approach used by few studies on capital punishment, he said.

The research produced an estimate of the percentage of defendants who would be exonerated if they all remained indefinitely on death row, where their cases would be subject to intense scrutiny for innocence.

The study concluded that the number of innocent defendants who have been put to death is, "comparatively low. ... Our data and the experience of practitioners in the field both indicate that the criminal justice system goes to far greater lengths to avoid executing innocent defendants than to prevent them from remaining in prison indefinitely."

Death sentences represent less than one tenth of 1 percent of prison sentences in the U.S., but they account for 12 percent of known exonerations of innocent defendants from 1989 to 2012. One big reason is that far more attention and resources are devoted to reviewing and reconsidering death sentences.

"The high rate of exoneration among death-sentenced defendants appears to be driven by the threat of execution," says the study. "But most deat sentenced defendants are removed from death row and resentenced to life imprisonment, after which the likelihood of exoneration drops sharply." The study estimates that if all defendants sentenced to death remained in that status, "at least 4.1 percent would be exonerated. We conclude that this is a conservative estimate of the proportion of false conviction among death sentences in the United States."

The study notes that there has been no shortage of lawyers and judges who assert confidently that the number of false convictions is negligible, citing Judge Learned Hand and Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

"Our criminal procedure has always been haunted by the ghost of the innocent man convicted. It is an unreal dream," Hand said in 1923. In 2007, Scalia wrote that American criminal convictions have an, "error rate of 0.027 percent — or, to put it another way, a success rate of 99.973 percent."

The study said Scalia's numbers, "would be comforting, if true," but added, "The rate of error among death sentences is far greater than Justice Scalia's reassuring 0.027 percent," based on the number of death row exonerations that have already occurred. The study said that, "most innocent defendants who have been sentenced to death have not been exonerated, and many — including the great majority of those who have been resentenced to life in prison — probably never will be."

Cameron Todd Willingham, pictured here, was executed in Texas for allegedly setting a fire that killed his family. Many experts now say the fire was an accident and that he was innocent.
Texas Moratorium Network via Flikr

[deanmine]

Originally Posted by diamondsmiles ↗

Many experts now say the fire was an accident and that he was innocent.

bullshit... that fucker was an abusive asshole who wanted the baby mamma to suffer