Ohio City Considering a Three Strikes Policy on Drug Overdoses

[HouseAtreides]

I'm very torn on the issue of drug addiction. On the one hand I'm naturally predisposed to pity people. On the other hand I eventually lose my sympathy for people who keep fucking themselves over. Let's face it - for the most part, drug addiction is your own fault.

[wmbondurant]

Originally Posted by HouseAtreides

I'm very torn on the issue of drug addiction. On the one hand I'm naturally predisposed to pity people. On the other hand I eventually lose my sympathy for people who keep fucking themselves over. Let's face it - for the most part, drug addiction is your own fault.

Could you please expound on your "predisposition to pity people " I'm truly interested .

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by wmbondurant

Could you please expound on your "predisposition to pity people " I'm truly interested .

The desire to 'want to help' your fellow man may often be viewed as a good trait.


More to the point though, is that many people cannot be 'helped', changed, fixed or improved.

Their die has been cast and their fate made certain long ago no matter what you may do...or not do.


The plain fact of the matter is that there is nothing you can do.


Although you are certainly free to try.

That's the surest way to convince yourself if it's true or not.




"Every man's life is sufficient."



Though not every one is pretty.

[wmbondurant]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001

The desire to 'want to help' your fellow man may often be viewed as a good trait.


More to the point though, is that many people cannot be 'helped', changed, fixed or improved.

Their die has been cast and their fate made certain long ago no matter what you may do...or not do.


The plain fact of the matter is that there is nothing you can do.


Although you are certainly free to try.

That's the surest way to convince yourself if it's true or not.




"Every man's life is sufficient."



Though not every one is pretty.

Pity is not the desire to help your fellow man . Okay, Okay , there are too many definitions of pity .. I get ya

Maybe compassion ?.

I know many who feel no such feelings . Maybe on rare ocations .pity is usually viewed as a negative . Kings have pity on the hoards . Jesus had compassion for man .

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by wmbondurant

Pity is not the desire to help your fellow man . Okay, Okay , there are too many definitions of pity .. I get ya

Maybe compassion ?.

I know many who feel no such feelings . Maybe on rare ocations .pity is usually viewed as a negative . Kings have pity on the hoards . Jesus had compassion for man .

Pity is really wasted.

Compassion is largely too.



While Jesus has compassion, there is generally not a mechanism to do anything with it.


You may see a homeless man in the park and be moved - by compassion - to leave a sandwich on the park bench for him every once in a while.

And then one day perhaps, he will be gone.

Dead, sick, arrested, just moved on..?

You may never know.



That's about it from what I've seen.


The determining factor is the Hand of Fate as it unfolds every man's path.

[wmbondurant]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001

Pity is really wasted.

Compassion is largely too.



While Jesus has compassion, there is generally not a mechanism to do anything with it.


You may see a homeless man in the park and be moved - by compassion - to leave a sandwich on the park bench for him every once in a while.

And then one day perhaps, he will be gone.

Dead, sick, arrested, just moved on..?

You may never know.



That's about it from what I've seen.


The determining factor is the Hand of Fate as it unfolds every man's path.

It's definitely atopic oozing with subjectivity.

I just don't believe that pity is something we are born into feeling . I believe it's a learned behavior/emotion .
Now , it's quite possible we as a species have taken on certain characteristics from our surroundings over the ages and this could include learned behaviors. But as far as there being a gene for pity ; this I'm not certain and tend to disbelieve.
OZ : I went off the rail :: ker plunk !

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by wmbondurant

It's definitely atopic oozing with subjectivity.

I just don't believe that pity is something we are born into feeling . I believe it's a learned behavior/emotion .
Now , it's quite possible we as a species have taken on certain characteristics from our surroundings over the ages and this could include learned behaviors. But as far as there being a gene for pity ; this I'm not certain and tend to disbelieve.
OZ : I went off the rail :: ker plunk !

Maybe not as 'subjective' as you may at first believe.


Thus my sentences from a few posts back...



"Although you are certainly free to try.

That's the surest way to convince yourself if it's true or not."




Generally, it boils down to COMPONENTRY.

1. You identify the apparent problem.

2. You identify the apparent solution.

3. You acquire whatever is necessary to implement the apparent solution. The COMPONENTS.


I mean you introduce and assemble the various COMPONENTS to the degree and with the timing required and...that should be all there is to it.

Right?

It 'seems' that it 'should' be that simple. Right?


I agree that it may 'appear' to be simple.

It 'seems' that way.


In fact, the assembled COMPONENTRY often starts off as working as perfectly as you had envisioned...but...then it stops working, starts to deteriorate and eventually ends up where it began.

In Nothingness.




That's why I suggest for people to 'try it' if they believe they can make a difference.


It's not as amorphous, nebulous or subjective as it first appears.

In fact, the further you explore - some things- may get extraordinarily clear.


I have nothing against the employment (here and there) of what is often known as 'human kindness'.

Nothing wrong with that generally speaking.


It's when it is overdone that we cross over into the Ego's Will To Power - by trying to force a specific outcome - and we run afoul of 'what's really goin' on'.


If you have any doubt, put it to the test and prove it to yourself.


It can be very eye opening as to what comes to light and what becomes clear.


That's called 'definition'.

You may find that things are more 'defined' and not as 'subjective' as you may have previously suspected.

[wmbondurant]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001

Maybe not as 'subjective' as you may at first believe.


Thus my sentences from a few posts back...



"Although you are certainly free to try.

That's the surest way to convince yourself if it's true or not."




Generally, it boils down to COMPONENTRY.

1. You identify the apparent problem.

2. You identify the apparent solution.

3. You acquire whatever is necessary to implement the apparent solution. The COMPONENTS.


I mean you introduce and assemble the various COMPONENTS to the degree and with to timing required and...that should be all there is to it.

Right?

I 'should' be that simple. Right?


I agree that it may 'appear' to be simple.


In fact, the assembled COMPONENTRY often starts off as working as perfectly as you had envisioned...but...then it stops working, starts to deteriorate and ends up where it began.

In Nothingness.




That's why I suggest for people to 'try it' if they believe they can make a difference.


It's not as amorphous, nebulous or subjective as it first appears.

In fact, the further you explore - some things- may get extraordinarily clear.


I have nothing against the employment (here and there) of what is often known as 'human kindness'.

Nothing wrong with that generally speaking.


It's when it is overdone that we cross over into the Ego's Will To Power and we run afoul of 'what's really goin' on'.


If you have any doubt, put it to the test and prove it to yourself.


It can be very eye opening as to what comes to light and what becomes clear.


That's called 'definition'.


Things are 'defined' and not as 'subject' as you may have previously suspected.

You are precisely correct if you are speaking in fatalistic terms ; and I do believe in predisposed time . Whether it Biblical Or other worldly .


I'm also evolutionist.


I believe we are and everything around us is evolving , changing to our surroundings, in order to better survive.

Some believe the two beliefs can't be merged , I digress .

We can make a positive difference in people's lives . But the stars must be aligned and there must be a willingness for change .

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by wmbondurant

You are precisely correct if you are speaking in fatalistic terms ; and I do believe in predisposed time . Whether it Biblical Or other worldly .


I'm also evolutionist.


I believe we are and everything around us is evolving , changing to our surroundings, in order to better survive.

Some believe the two beliefs can't be merged , I digress .


Still hasn't explained my initial question .

Things have a 'Life of Their Own'.

Ya can't get around that.

However things unfold/evolve...to inevitably end up as fated.


At some point, you have to realize that Life has 'taken us all' and how we end up is out of our own hands.

Many people may be viewed as 'born to die of a drug overdose'.

Because the 'Life of Their Own' took things there.

[wmbondurant]

Originally Posted by Oswald2001

Things have a 'Life of Their Own'.

However things unfold...

Exactly .