Multiple Fatalaties at Stabbing in Glasgow, U.K., Suspect Shot by Police

[Londonlegacy]

Details still emerging. It is believed the stabbing happened at a hotel that houses asylum seekers. One police officer is also known to have been stabbed. Police have confirmed that the suspect has been shot, assumed to be dead. It's not yet known whether this is terror related.

[Ian666]

Typical scummy asylum seekers... shame they all wasn't wiped out.

[Doctordeath]

Funny how we have the money and resources to house asylum seekers, but still have nothing for the homeless. Disgraceful

[kellyhound]

Six people are being treated in hospital for their injuries, including a 42-year-old police officer who was said to be "critical but stable".

Sources had suggested two other people died at the hotel, which is currently housing asylum seekers. In fact it appears only the suspect was killed.

Police said the incident was not being treated as terrorism.

The other injured men in hospital are aged 17, 18, 20, 38 and 53.

A police spokesman said the situation was "contained" and there was no danger to the general public.

He added that they were not looking for anyone else in relation to the incident, which was first reported at 12:50. He added that officers were on the scene within two minutes of the incident.

He said: "Officers were on the scene within two minutes, and armed officers shortly afterwards, and the incident was quickly contained."

The assistant chief constable added: "The individual who was shot by armed police has died.

"Six other people are in hospital for treatment to their injuries including a police officer, who is in a critical but stable condition.

So officers without guns rush inside where a stabbing takes place and get stabbed themselves before armed officers enter the building and shoot the attacker?

In times like this all officers should carry a gun, which i thought they all did, or else you're just a security guard.

[Londonlegacy]

Originally Posted by kellyhound

So officers without guns rush inside where a stabbing takes place and get stabbed themselves before armed officers enter the building and shoot the attacker?

In times like this all officers should carry a gun, which i thought they all did, or else you're just a security guard.

I realise that this is a contentious issue and my response is most likely going to be met with some resistance, especially given the current state of the world. But as a British person living in London, I have to answer truthfully.

I completely see your point, I do. There are times when I have thought this myself. And whilst arming all British police seems like the obvious solution, it probably isn’t the best solution and it’s not what the public want. Gun crime just isn’t a problem in the U.K., yes, it does happen, Bute it it is Extremely rare. Stabbings do happen more often, but 99 times out of 100 the attacker is either apprehended by regular police using tasers and good police skills, or specialist armed police are called in and will either apprehend the attacker without having to use force, or as a last resort will use force and shoot the attacker. Multiple polls throughout the years have asked both the British public and the British police forces whether they would want the regular police to be armed, it has always been a resounding NO. We, the British public, do not want all officers to be armed. The British police too don’t want to be armed. And by armed here I mean armed with a firearm. All regular police carry a baton/truncheon and most carry a taser. Being armed with a firearm just isn’t required for 99.99% of incidents that require a police presence in the U.K. for the remaining 0.01%, we have extremely well trained and equipped specialist units across the whole country.

Imagine how much it would cost to arm the whole of the British police force. 6 - 12 weeks of firearms and situational training for each officer so that they can competently use a firearm and not be a trigger happy panicking goon who is going to draw his or her weapon at the slightest bit of danger. The cost of all firearms. The cost of upgrading all police building so that firearms can be stored safely and securely. How long will it take before all training and building work is complete? The inevitable avoidable loss of life due to incompetent officers making mistakes and killing people; this would happen a lot in the beginning. Public would lose faith in the police and you’d see a much greater divide. Community policing would become impossible. Crime would most likely go up. With that many firearms in the U.K. it’s only a matter of time before some are stolen and then we have more illegal firearms on the streets. Honestly, it would be a shit show of epic proportions.

The last thing the U.K. wants is to become anything more like America when it comes to authoritarian quasi-militaristic police forces, public opinion of the police, trust in the police, illegal firearms on the street etc.

I hope that (American) people don’t take this to heart and give me a load of shit for it. Our country is VERY different to yours. Our ways are also VERY different to yours. We can still be friends and allies while you do things your way and we it ours.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Londonlegacy

I realise that this is a contentious issue and my response is most likely going to be met with some resistance, especially given the current state of the world. But as a British person living in London, I have to answer truthfully.

I completely see your point, I do. There are times when I have thought this myself. And whilst arming all British police seems like the obvious solution, it probably isn’t the best solution and it’s not what the public want. Gun crime just isn’t a problem in the U.K., yes, it does happen, Bute it it is Extremely rare. Stabbings do happen more often, but 99 times out of 100 the attacker is either apprehended by regular police using tasers and good police skills, or specialist armed police are called in and will either apprehend the attacker without having to use force, or as a last resort will use force and shoot the attacker. Multiple polls throughout the years have asked both the British public and the British police forces whether they would want the regular police to be armed, it has always been a resounding NO. We, the British public, do not want all officers to be armed. The British police too don’t want to be armed. And by armed here I mean armed with a firearm. All regular police carry a baton/truncheon and most carry a taser. Being armed with a firearm just isn’t required for 99.99% of incidents that require a police presence in the U.K. for the remaining 0.01%, we have extremely well trained and equipped specialist units across the whole country.

Imagine how much it would cost to arm the whole of the British police force. 6 - 12 weeks of firearms and situational training for each officer so that they can competently use a firearm and not be a trigger happy panicking goon who is going to draw his or her weapon at the slightest bit of danger. The cost of all firearms. The cost of upgrading all police building so that firearms can be stored safely and securely. How long will it take before all training and building work is complete? The inevitable avoidable loss of life due to incompetent officers making mistakes and killing people; this would happen a lot in the beginning. Public would lose faith in the police and you’d see a much greater divide. Community policing would become impossible. Crime would most likely go up. With that many firearms in the U.K. it’s only a matter of time before some are stolen and then we have more illegal firearms on the streets. Honestly, it would be a shit show of epic proportions.

The last thing the U.K. wants is to become anything more like America when it comes to authoritarian quasi-militaristic police forces, public opinion of the police, trust in the police, illegal firearms on the street etc.

I hope that (American) people don’t take this to heart and give me a load of shit for it. Our country is VERY different to yours. Our ways are also VERY different to yours. We can still be friends and allies while you do things your way and we it ours.

i know and that's all good and true but a lot of European police forces carry firearms and have similar death rates when it comes to police intervention during crimes.

I would be feeling safer, in disturbing times like now, when you call the cops in deadly crime incidents the first cop that shows up can take out the attacker asap without getting hurt himself or the attacker hurting more innocent people, no matter if the attacker is wielding a gun, knife are whatever.

The inevitable avoidable loss of life due to incompetent officers making mistakes and killing people

It's not that when every cop carries a gun the country is more of a police state or more innocent people getting shot and killed. (see other European countries)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police...use_by_country

Comparing it to the U.S is another thing because guns are waaay more common so the chance of meeting a criminal that owns a gun and using it is way higher and therefore cops are more trigger happy (on their guard) plus police forces lower their standards in order to fill its vacancies while others are getting fired for silly things like smoking outside their car.
https://www.policeone.com/police-job...Eoz8NBnvmy1G1/

Personally i don't think police carrying guns are of any influence of being a police state but it's the laws (getting away with it too often) plus many, no not all, policemen don't socialize with other people other than policemen so understanding some other social groups is harder for them to comprehend.
http://criminal-justice.iresearchnet...socialization/