ISIS Smuggler: 'We Will Use Refugee Crisis to Infiltrate West'

[m1324]

Please tell me this guy is just a troll. I'm really not sure.

[rob666]

The ugly truth ^^^^

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik

And it's not as simple as israel just stole land either. They have a complicated situation. They are surrounded by enemies.

I've read a lot of your post on Israel. It's clear you either just hate israel or don't get it. The things you think they should do or give up could destroy them. You act as if there is just a misunderstanding over there. And if israel just stopped being a bully everything would work out.

You really want to criticize Israeli media? But say nothing about the media that lies and propagates against Isreal.

You believe the false narrative that Israel deserves to be attacked. And you believe israel shouldn't defend itself.

I don't hate them at all.

I don't agree some of their actions on a state level. I don't agree with how they are manipulating a lot of people, including the politics and policies of other nations.
I don't agree with how hypocritical they are.

Israel has every right to defend itself.
They don't have the right to annex land for civilian settlement. They don't have the right to goad other nations into fighting their wars for them.
They don't have the right to own a nuclear arsenal that has never been declared or inspected, and then claim that someone else obtaining those weapons will set off an arms race.

I have no issue at at with Jewish people or the existence of Israel. But there needs to be one set of rules that is adhered to by all sides. Israel does not deserve to have its own rule book that it arbitrarily changes at its own discretion.

[TheVrist]

Groundbreaking Muslim-Jewish Leadership Platform Launched to Protect Religious Freedom in Europe -

http://www.kaiciid.org/news-events/n...igious-freedom

Sounds like some Moshe Sharret type work going on.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by rob666

I don't hate them at all.

I don't agree some of their actions on a state level. I don't agree with how they are manipulating a lot of people, including the politics and policies of other nations.
I don't agree with how hypocritical they are.

Israel has every right to defend itself.
They don't have the right to annex land for civilian settlement. They don't have the right to goad other nations into fighting their wars for them.
They don't have the right to own a nuclear arsenal that has never been declared or inspected, and then claim that someone else obtaining those weapons will set off an arms race.

I have no issue at at with Jewish people or the existence of Israel. But here needs to be one set of rules that us adhered to by all sides. Israel does not deserve to have its own rule book that it arbitrarily changes at its own discretion.

I disagree. I think Israel should be able to do what they feel is necessary for their safety.

Israel has nuclear arms, have they ever even hinted they'd use them? No. They have them for the only good reason there is to have them. To prevent another nation from attacking them. Which if you read the not so distant past of Israel, is a real concern.

Everyone is whining about territory. If everyone must follow the rules about territory you're talking about. The entire world map would have to be redrawn. A lot of borders changed after ww2. Nobody seems to care about any of them accept israel.

Wasn't you claiming that Russia has a right to Ukraine?

[niknik]

Some would say America doesn't have a right to own a nuclear arsenal.

I don't understand what you mean by Israel doesn't have the right.

Do you really believe because israel has a weapon, that we should help it's enemies get the same weapon?

I have a feeling we'll all see why supporting Isreal, and standing in the way of its enemies was the best action. Now that Iran is taking over the middle east, and we just gave them the funding to accomplish it.

But I'm sure you'll blame israel if a major war breaks out in the middle east. Because you won't ever blame the poor decisions of Obama.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik

I disagree. I think Israel should be able to do what they feel is necessary for their safety.

Israel has nuclear arms, have they ever even hinted they'd use them? No. They have them for the only good reason there is to have them. To prevent another nation from attacking them. Which if you read the not so distant past of Israel, is a real concern.

Everyone is whining about territory. If everyone must follow the rules about territory you're talking about. The entire world map would have to be redrawn. A lot of borders changed after ww2. Nobody seems to care about any of them accept israel.

Wasn't you claiming that Russia has a right to Ukraine?

You cannot annex land for civilian settlement. It's illegal and unethical, it doesn't fucking matter how you attempt to package it.
It is what it is.

Iran hasn't invaded another country in hundreds of years. The idea that Obama is somehow helping them obtain nuclear weapons is ridiculous. It's just Fox News bullshit that has no basis in anything factual.

Colin Powell was on the news the other night. He described Iran's path to a nuclear weapon prior to the deal as a "superhighway".
The bottom line is Iran was going to get weapons anyway, and short of war nothing is going to stop them.

At least Iran's nuclear program will be inspected, which is something Israel has never allowed.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik

I disagree. I think Israel should be able to do what they feel is necessary for their safety.

Israel has nuclear arms, have they ever even hinted they'd use them? No. They have them for the only good reason there is to have them. To prevent another nation from attacking them. Which if you read the not so distant past of Israel, is a real concern.

Everyone is whining about territory. If everyone must follow the rules about territory you're talking about. The entire world map would have to be redrawn. A lot of borders changed after ww2. Nobody seems to care about any of them accept israel.

Wasn't you claiming that Russia has a right to Ukraine?

I said that Russia has rights to the ports in Crimea as part of the agreement that gave Ukraine it's independence. It is also allowed to have thousands of troops there under the same agreement.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by niknik

Some would say America doesn't have a right to own a nuclear arsenal.

I don't understand what you mean by Israel doesn't have the right.

Do you really believe because israel has a weapon, that we should help it's enemies get the same weapon?

I have a feeling we'll all see why supporting Isreal, and standing in the way of its enemies was the best action. Now that Iran is taking over the middle east, and we just gave them the funding to accomplish it.

But I'm sure you'll blame israel if a major war breaks out in the middle east. Because you won't ever blame the poor decisions of Obama.

Iran taking a more prominent role in Middle East politics directly coincides with the fall of Saddam.

The Saudis won't allow Iran to "take over". That war is in it's early stages right now in Syria.

The Saudis are a much bigger threat, despite the lack of a spotlight outlining their agenda.

The idea of who has a "right' to possess nuclear weapons is debatable.

If Israel wants to possess them then it should at least disclose what they have and allow inspections. That is what responsible, law abiding nuclear powers do.

[Oswald2001]

Originally Posted by niknik

Now that Iran is taking over the middle east, and we just gave them the funding to accomplish it.

But I'm sure you'll blame israel if a major war breaks out in the middle east. Because you won't ever blame the poor decisions of Obama.

Obama..."just gave them the funding to accomplish it".

Obama gave Iran funding in order to enable Iran to take over the Middle East.

That was Obama's aim and intention all along and not an unfortunate 'consequence'.

Obama has pretty much dropped his 'aw shucks' supposedly 'moderate' mask.

He's an America hating moo slum loving monster alright.