Father and Son Who Shot and Killed Ahmaud Arbery Have Been Arrested for Murder

[Sa Bal]

Originally Posted by JamesdBond007

The guy who took the video is being looked into also

definitely not for a cinematography Oscar

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Illusion

Details are still emerging but one inescapable fact is that your troll game is weak. The father and son had stated they had "solid first-hand probable cause" as civilians to detain Arbery.

According to them, they apparently sought only to "stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived".

TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

(b) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his or her person a long gun without a valid weapons carry license, provided that if the long gun is loaded, it shall only be carried in an open and fully exposed manner.

The suspect was filmed entering a construction site which is trespassing, yet, trespassing is not a felony and therefore, the McMichaels had no grounds to "stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived".

It will be interesting to see what happens in court as the McMichaels' defense will rely on the citizen arrest statute and self-defense, as the dad alleged Arbery "viciously attacked" his shotgun-wielding son as he stood in the road.

Again, state laws dictate that a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge if the offense is a felony" and no felony was committed.

You don't know that a felony didn't occur. They had first hand knowledge that this person was trespassing. Which isn't necessarily a felony itself. But they also had first hand knowledge that this home has had many problems with theft. Why do you think cameras were there?

Going into a building, or home, can be, and many times is a felony. Especially if the person has a prior conviction of doing that. And now we know the local police told people in the neighborhood to call this guy, because he is a retired cop. And the neighborhood obviously decided they were tired of these break ins.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Illusion

Details are still emerging but one inescapable fact is that your troll game is weak. The father and son had stated they had "solid first-hand probable cause" as civilians to detain Arbery.

According to them, they apparently sought only to "stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived".

TITLE 17 - CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
ARTICLE 4 - ARREST BY PRIVATE PERSONS
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

(b) Any person who is not prohibited by law from possessing a handgun or long gun may have or carry on his or her person a long gun without a valid weapons carry license, provided that if the long gun is loaded, it shall only be carried in an open and fully exposed manner.

The suspect was filmed entering a construction site which is trespassing, yet, trespassing is not a felony and therefore, the McMichaels had no grounds to "stop and hold this criminal suspect until law enforcement arrived".

It will be interesting to see what happens in court as the McMichaels' defense will rely on the citizen arrest statute and self-defense, as the dad alleged Arbery "viciously attacked" his shotgun-wielding son as he stood in the road.

Again, state laws dictate that a private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge if the offense is a felony" and no felony was committed.

Burglary is a felony. Attempted Burglary is a felony. Especially in the case of a dwelling. And a dwelling is ANY building that has a roof over head, that's purpose is for people to live in. Whether its occupied or vacant.

Your entire assumption is based on this guy, going into that house, with zero intent to commit any criminal act.

And I have to say, that's awfully ridiculous. That this guy just likes architecture? Oh that's right, he just wanted a drink of water. Lol

Bullshit. He was looking for anything of value. And I won't be surprised when they release his record and it shows burglary charges on it. Or at least theft. Because he obviously was a thief.

These guys are getting off. That's why they didn't get arrested until the media put pressure on the county to act. And so it will go to trial. And not a freaking chance 12 jurors will say these guys didn't have any right to try and detain him for the police.

And the fact still remains. This victim would be alive if he just kept running. Or just gave up and waited for the police.

[niknik]

Supposedly there was a picture released of the victim. Is it not on here anywhere? The shooters sister sent it out in a snapchat. Which I believe disappears after a short time, not a snapchat guy. Sounds like a cheating app or something.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by GoreisGreat

Running while black. Dangerous activity.

Such nonsense.

If we keep going in this direction of bullshit political blame people for common sense crap. Our civilization will end in constant civil war.

Nobody has it worse because of their skin. White folks deal with the same exact shit. Only difference is white folks aren't raised to blame another race, and instead of pulling themselves up, look to pull others down.

Black folks have a serious culture and identity problem They are raised to think in a way that holds them down. That raises them to believe there are barriers in front of them, and built in excuses for failure. Built-in excuses for not even trying. Built-in excuses to cheat and steal. And raised to pull other black folks down who are not buying it.

And now idiotic white folks think they are "woke" when they play along. They are some how better people because they blame themselves for black problems. Not seeing that white communities have the exact same issues

The black community needs its men to be men. To be fathers, to hold jobs and raise their families. If the black community just did that 1 thing. Everything would change for them.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson

This is actually one of the reasons I believe they shot him. Because Blacks seem to have some sort of privilege, that if any sign comes up that their race came into play, they may have a chance to get out of their crimes. They new the police wouldn’t resolve the matter, and in just a few days he’d be back out on the streets. Justice isn’t only reserved for policemen, we can also take justice into our own hands, (always remember that) such is what happened in this case.

It's as if nobody actually watched the video. Its clear as day why he was shot. He was shot because he grabbed the man's gun with one hand, and was punching him in the head with the other.

Forget everything else. Because if you plan to shoot someone, or you want to shoot someone. You're not going to let them run right up to you, grab your gun, and begin to fight them for your gun. Because you could easily be shot yourself.

The video proves they only had the guns as a means of self defense. They obviously believed, as most people do, if you're holding a gun, who ever you're confronting will be less likely to attack you.

This victim was obviously a very violent and ignorant person. And its so typical of these race hustlers to excuse that violence and ignorance, and to lie and portray the person as innocent

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by niknik

It's as if nobody actually watched the video. Its clear as day why he was shot. He was shot because he grabbed the man's gun with one hand, and was punching him in the head with the other.

Forget everything else. Because if you plan to shoot someone, or you want to shoot someone. You're not going to let them run right up to you, grab your gun, and begin to fight them for your gun. Because you could easily be shot yourself.

The video proves they only had the guns as a means of self defense. They obviously believed, as most people do, if you're holding a gun, who ever you're confronting will be less likely to attack you.

This victim was obviously a very violent and ignorant person. And its so typical of these race hustlers to excuse that violence and ignorance, and to lie and portray the person as innocent

I actually just watched the video again. All I can hear is “STOP RUNNING” Then Arbery runs around the truck and the view is blocked. But the father fires first, then Arbery goes towards the son. It seems like a split decision the father made. Maybe it was fear that the son was going to get hurt by Arbery. Fear is very manipulating and causes people to make mistakes all the time. This situation has both parties full of fear. Both of them are afraid of one another. Add weapons to the mix and we have ourselves a party.

[el_topo]

Originally Posted by niknik

This victim was obviously a very violent and ignorant person. And its so typical of these race hustlers to excuse that violence and ignorance, and to lie and portray the person as innocent

A person is innocent until proven guilty. So what if the person is ignorant or violent? How do you sum up a person? Do you look at all things he’s done in his life then deem them “guilty” or “innocent”? Your way of thinking is very faulty. If we were to use your logic half the police force would be cut. It takes a criminal to catch a criminal.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson

I actually just watched the video again. All I can hear is “STOP RUNNING” Then Arbery runs around the truck and the view is blocked. But the father fires first, then Arbery goes towards the son. It seems like a split decision the father made. Maybe it was fear that the son was going to get hurt by Arbery. Fear is very manipulating and causes people to make mistakes all the time. This situation has both parties full of fear. Both of them are afraid of one another. Add weapons to the mix and we have ourselves a party.

I don't think the father fired a shot. I could be wrong, but it doesn't look like he did. And every gun shot sounds the same, like they were all from the same gun.

I think the shooters where scared, that's why they brought guns. They believed and the son said to police, this is the same man who he tried to follow a previous night. And he acted like he was reaching for a gun.

Which is not uncommon. I saw a guy a couple years ago run out of a store he just stole from, being chased by a store employee. The thief kept reaching in his pants, trying to make the store employee believe he had a gun. So he would stop chasing him.

Also several years ago some dickhead cut me off 8n traffic, then proceeded to cut off a couple more cars. We all ended up at a red light, and several people were giving him the finger, calling the police on him, and 1 guy was jawing with him. And once it started to get really heated, the guy started reaching under his seat. Obviously to make everyone think he was going for a gun, so everyone would just leave him alone.

Like i said, its not uncommon for people to do that.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by shoelessjojackson

A person is innocent until proven guilty. So what if the person is ignorant or violent? How do you sum up a person? Do you look at all things he’s done in his life then deem them “guilty” or “innocent”? Your way of thinking is very faulty. If we were to use your logic half the police force would be cut. It takes a criminal to catch a criminal.

So what? He attacked a armed person. And got himself killed. So whether he's a violent person kinda matters alot.

If you're a person who rarely ever is confrontation, a person who never gets into fights, or acts aggressive towards others. Then it would be very out of character for you to get physical with someone. It might mean you were afraid, or panicked.

But if you are someone who is aggressive, someone who is confrontational, gets into fights alot, runs your mouth alot. It might mean you weren't scared, you wasn't panicked, you was just mad.

And yes, i absolutely look at what a person does in their life. And so does law enforcement.

When you're suspected of a crime, when the detectives bring you in for questioning. The first thing they do is look up your record. Because experience has taught them that if you've robbed a liquor store twice before for instance. And they have reasonable suspicion you have robbed a liquor store. The fact you have done it means you're capable of doing it.

And most crimes, are committed by someone who's committed that same crime before.

Speaking of innocent until proven guilty. The father, was in law enforcement for like 30 years. Has from what I've heard a unblemished record. Been given awards, hasn't even had citizen complaints.

The son was a trained military law enforcement. So both men where in law enforcement. Not just two rednecks in over their heads as the media try to portray them.

Where's their benefit of the doubt? 2 guys who've never been in trouble. "Oh they're calculated murders"

Guy who's been arrested several times, even for breaking into houses. Was filmed in a house he didn't belong in minutes earlier. "Oh, he's just out for a innocent jog and was ambushed for no reason at all".