[CrunchyCripple]

The Lab was barking in the video - which often riles up other dogs. Which may make it not so "unprovoked". Most dogs HATE being badmouthed by other dogs.

Many, many dogs will willingly, violently attack another dog. It's called being "Hot" or "Dog Aggressive" and normal for many breeds.(small, medium and large alike)

The problem is when you have a dog like that and aren't careful or are just plain irresponsible and allow that dog to come into contact with other dogs.

No special breeding needed. It's a common dog behavior - unfortunately.

If you have a dog that LOVES killing chickens and you find yourself in a farm area - should you take your dog out and shoot it, or keep it contained so it can't get out and kill the neighbors chickens? Is it a bad dog for killing the chickens? Or are you a bad owner for not expecting a predator to go after prey?

Does a cat need to be killed because it kills birds, mice and any small pet animal it can get ahold of? It's the nature of the animal and human's responsibility to contain that animal.


Also, why is a dog fight on the news? They've always happened, and they always will happen. Dogs have been and will be killed by other dogs in the future.
Really not news worthy.

[Illusion]

Originally Posted by Darkest Angel ↗

Any dog that engages in such a violent, unprovoked attack needs to be put down. This is the result of breeding violence into this powerful, willfull breed. Tragic for the family. But tragic too, another blemish on the record of the APBT.

Nicely put. No arguments here.

That dog would have attacked anything it had its sights on. Fortunately as bad as it may sound it attacked another dog and not a child.

[Kelseecat65]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple ↗

Are her dogs aggressive, or do you mean the breed in general?

If her dogs are not acting aggressive, I wouldn't worry about it. Go by the dog's behavior, not by generalization. They aren't unpredictable. A dog's intentions are very predictable.

I'm sorry, I meant her dogs. They are very "in your face" jumping and not well behaved dogs. She claims they are just always excited. That may be the case, but I personally don't like it when a dog jumps all over me and about knocks me over, while she is struggling to pull them back on their harness.
I can't get close to them as they are so aggressive in that sense.

Personally, I think it's more her lack of properly training them to be more social with other humans. They are perfect around their immediate family. I just don't feel comfortable around them, and all the stories about the pits attacking, only adds to my uncomfortableness.

A huge percentage of these issues with dogs in general is the way they are brought up/trained, vs the breed. It just seems that this is the one breed that its always happening with.

A St. Bernard attached and killed my terrier when I was younger, that was a viscous attack and that dog was a wicked beast. That was a total fail on the owners, as they were horrible to that dog. I rarely hear of St. Bernards attacking/killing other pets.

I was attacked by a Bullmastiff a few years back, and it knew me all my life. I went to pet it, and it lunged at me, bit me under my eye and my under my jaw at the same time. The attack came out of nowhere, and his owner was there, said the only thing he could think of was that when I went to pet him, his spiked collar twisted and the dog reacted to that. Again, I rarely hear of these dogs attacking.

So part of this issue is the owners responsibility in raising them properly and it seems in part, to be the breed.

[CrunchyCripple]

I often don't trust dogs who are too excited and untrained either. Not a happy excited, but a different excited - where things feel like they could easily escalate to a bite.

My pit bull gets excited to see people she knows. She's rough and scratches while trying to climb up your body and stick her tongue down your throat. (I don't allow it)

All of that would happen if I just cut her loose on a known visitor and didn't say anything. She's on a leash while greeting people and isn't allowed any petting, unless she stays off, listens to commands and is calm enough not to be rude. Only good behavior is rewarded.

She calms down after a couple of minutes. She's much more polite with people she doesn't know.

[Tiffany32]

Let's face it it's a " cultural thing" with alot of these blacks "Dogfighting".. they train and abuse these Pit Bulls by feeding them detergent (to make them vicious)and use "bait" dogs like beagles and other smaller dogs and sick the pit bulls to savagley maul and kill them (for practice-for the real thing).. and the problem is only getting worse especially since the Michael Vick story broke ! It's so evil and sick .. makes me ill to even think about what goes on with these poor animals

[Kelseecat65]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple ↗

I often don't trust dogs who are too excited and untrained either. Not a happy excited, but a different excited - where things feel like they could easily escalate to a bite.

My pit bull gets excited to see people she knows. She's rough and scratches while trying to climb up your body and stick her tongue down your throat. (I don't allow it)

All of that would happen if I just cut her loose on a known visitor and didn't say anything. She's on a leash while greeting people and isn't allowed any petting, unless she stays off, listens to commands and is calm enough not to be rude. Only good behavior is rewarded.

She calms down after a couple of minutes. She's much more polite with people she doesn't know.

She sounds like a well behaved dog, who has been properly trained!

I wish my neighbors was like that. I know it bothers her that I wont even go for walks with her and the dogs, but it's not fun to be constantly jumped on like that.

[CrunchyCripple]

Originally Posted by Tiffany32 ↗

Let's face it it's a " cultural thing" with alot of these blacks "Dogfighting".. they train and abuse these Pit Bulls by feeding them detergent (to make them vicious)and use "bait" dogs like beagles and other smaller dogs and sick the pit bulls to savagley maul and kill them (for practice-for the real thing).. and the problem is only getting worse especially since the Michael Vick story broke ! It's so evil and sick .. makes me ill to even think about what goes on with these poor animals

Did you watch the video?

The dog's owner was an older(65+) white man.

Highly unlikely that this was a fighter. Just a dog that didn't like the other dog and was free in the wrong place at the wrong time.

These dogs are neighbors and there may be bad blood between them. or this is just a dog aggressive pit bull. Very common in a breed created to combat other dogs. Don't have to be taught or abused.

Didn't seem human aggressive at all in the video. Just has a problem with other dogs. That "it could have been a child!" Argument doesn't fly. Just because a dog is good at killing other dogs, doesn't mean it wants to eat kids(as horrible as that sounds).

Watch a patterdale terrier go after a rat. It's the same tenacity, just directed at a different animal(which it was bred for).

[rob666]

I think you should need to be licensed to have a dog that is capable of killing a person. Not just a pitbull, but mastiff, pressa, whatever..... too many guys where I live look at those dogs as a weapon, or for intimidation purposes. Just as effective as a knife or a gun when it comes down to it.

There's a bit of dog fighting culture where I live too. Hate to say it, but it is basically confined to 1 racial group in a few different areas....

[CrunchyCripple]

Then you should have to have a license to own any dog - because any breed of dog can kill a human. Little breeds can(and have) kill babies and children.

If you get rid of all of the dangerous breeds, you'll start seeing the "docile" ones take their place - why? Because they're all the same animal and you can breed for any trait that is in any breed. It's messy, but it will work. :(

[Tiffany32]

Originally Posted by CrunchyCripple ↗

Did you watch the video?

The dog's owner was an older(65+) white man.

Highly unlikely that this was a fighter. Just a dog that didn't like the other dog and was free in the wrong place at the wrong time.

These dogs are neighbors and there may be bad blood between them. or this is just a dog aggressive pit bull. Very common in a breed created to combat other dogs. Don't have to be taught or abused.

Didn't seem human aggressive at all in the video. Just has a problem with other dogs. That "it could have been a child!" Argument doesn't fly. Just because a dog is good at killing other dogs, doesn't mean it wants to eat kids(as horrible as that sounds).

Watch a patterdale terrier go after a rat. It's the same tenacity, just directed at a different animal(which it was bred for).

Yeah I didn't watch the video before hand should have prefaced it by saying generally speaking these savage pit bulls being trained to fight in inner city's and rural areas across the country by mainly the blacks ! This a different situation involving a pit bull owned by elderly white guy ..understood !