[Epoch242]

Originally Posted by Simone ↗

So, his lifestyle choice meant that he deserved to be killed? If he stupidly chose to do drugs, drink, whatever, then that's on him. That does not warrant that cop kneeling on his neck for 10 fucking minutes!

An eye for an eye; give the bastard cop to George's family + let them do to him what he did to their loved one.

It's not a question of deserving to die. It's that he didn't want jailed for the nth time, swallowed his drugs baggie, and proceeded to OD on film. But because everyone and their mom missed their chance to punish Chauvin for his past mis-policing antics they want to railroad a murder charge where none exists and appear anti-racist. Even manslaughter just to seem sympathetic is a stretch given an ambulance had been phoned in and Floyd was going to die even if they did the PG-13 thing of sitting him up instead of keeping him on his belly. I can't take all the outrage seriously when people don't talk about open and shut/factual police abuse cases and only show up where the minority character was in fact in the wrong. Frankly people's ignorance and sheltered lives are showing when they think a knee as seen in the video can cut off air with all the shouting and talking Floyd was doing and his inability to breathe being broadcasted before he was laying down.

[kellyhound]

https://www.hennepin.us/-/media/henn...psy-6-3-20.pdf

[SalemSaberhagen]

Originally Posted by Moloko ↗

I suspect the verdict, if found guilty, will be purely for show to appease the mob. Chauvin will be given a new name and put into some sort of witness protection program.

Looking at the autopsy reports, it seems Floyd died from a Fentanyl overdose and not from being asphyxiated. That would denote that Chauvin was not responsible for Floyd's death.

What autopsy report did you read? EVERY autopsy report lists HOMICIDE as the Cause of Death.

[WonderMomma]

Here are some FACTS of the case that popped out at ME.

- He was under the influence of multiple narcotics.
- He had underlying, fairly severe heart disease.
- He tested positive for COVID nearly two months prior to his death. Upon death, tested positive for 2019-nCoV RNA by PCR, meaning still having the virus in his system, likely asymptomatic and in no danger of being contagious.
- He had just passed a fake $20.
- He started freaking out when the police approached his vehicle.
- The cop almost immediately points a gun at him which makes him even more nervous and anxious.
- He was previously shot by police in a similar manner and some would say was experiencing PTSD.
- The female with him confirmed he had previously been shot by police when Officer Lane asked "why is he acting all weird like that".
- He started suffering a panic attack when they tried to put him in the back of the squad car.
- No, he should not have fought them when they tried to place him in the back of the car but claimed he was claustrophobic which send him into full blown panic attack.
- He requested to lay down on the ground instead of getting into the car.
- The restraint "technique" that Chauvin chose to use has never been a technique that has ever been taught in any training of the MPD.
- Multiple high ranking officers of the MPD testified that Chauvin and the other officers should have stopped holding him down after getting him in handcuffs.
- The same officers testified he definitely should have been put on his side as soon as he started complaining of not being able to breath.
- Officer Thao ignored the offer of help by a licensed EMT/Firefighter (Genevieve Hansen) telling her "if you are really a firefighter you should know better than to get involved".
- One of the officers helping hold him down did check for a pulse, but still did nothing to provide medical attention.
- Autopsy rules it a homicide... "CARDIOPULMONARY ARREST COMPLICATING LAW ENFORCEMENT SUBDUAL, RESTRAINT, AND NECK COMPRESSION "
- Cardiopulmonary definied as "heart and lungs".
- Cardiopulmonary arrest is defined as the complete cessation of effective circulation and ventilation.
- No where in the autopsy report does it state anything about "cardiac arrest" per se.

My point being... there are SO many factors that could be blamed for his death. But this thread is about the trial of Derik Chauvin and his role in George Floyds death, if any. I just wanted to point out some important things that some people may not know.

[flyflicker123]

Just another dumb black who thinks he doesnt have to follow the cops demands....if its bs fight it later or die now

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by HSO ↗

I’m relieved Mr. Chauvin survived.

I’m glad he was able to safely & sanitarily flush that giant stinky turd’s life down the universe’s toilet pipes.

Floyd Trayvon is undoubtedly rotting in hell for an eternity now...because of his evil actions & violent acts committed while alive.

I think it would’ve been much easier & wiser to have cuffed that black creep for passing fake money, then emptied a clip in his skull...

Derek could then be expedited through the acquittal process without hysterical ******* stalling the legal process of acquittal while philosophizing & gesticulating over the definition of “choke.”

wow.
You are never at a loss for words.

[spycosis]

Originally Posted by Epoch242 ↗

It's not a question of deserving to die. It's that he didn't want jailed for the nth time, swallowed his drugs baggie, and proceeded to OD on film. But because everyone and their mom missed their chance to punish Chauvin for his past mis-policing antics they want to railroad a murder charge where none exists and appear anti-racist. Even manslaughter just to seem sympathetic is a stretch given an ambulance had been phoned in and Floyd was going to die even if they did the PG-13 thing of sitting him up instead of keeping him on his belly. I can't take all the outrage seriously when people don't talk about open and shut/factual police abuse cases and only show up where the minority character was in fact in the wrong. Frankly people's ignorance and sheltered lives are showing when they think a knee as seen in the video can cut off air with all the shouting and talking Floyd was doing and his inability to breathe being broadcasted before he was laying down.

Okay, maybe he died from an overdose of Fentanyl, but three pathologists failed to find evidence of that. Fentanyl was present in his blood, but at nowhere near the concentrations needed to cause death.
His behaviour during the arrest was absolutely not that of someone overdosing on opiates.
Sleep is the first stage of an overdose. Then snoring usually, then the breathing reflex eventually slows to a halt. There is no panic, no struggling, nor the slightest trace of anxiety.
I am not defending Floyd out of some misguided libtard agenda that I may have, indeed I will call a spade a spade, when necessary, but in this case I shall refrain, because I care little for politics, but what I do care for is science, mathematics and truth. Whether you like it or not, Chauvin is responsible for Floyds death. He screwed up, and I think he knows that too.

[MeatyBon]

Saint Fentanyl is responsible for his own death

[WonderMomma]

There are multiple contributing factors to this human being's death. Some his fault, some other human beings' fault. George Floyd has already paid the price for his actions leading to his death. The matter at hand presently is for a jury of human beings to decide Chauvins' role and culpability for his actions leading to Floyd's death, if any.

The cause and manner of death have been ruled and announced (x3) by professional licensed pathologists.

The link to the autopsy report is in this thread here: https://www.documentingreality.com/f...7/#post6964561

Below is an exhibit from the Hennepin County States Attorney's office. They are various notes from the Hennepin county medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, as well as findings from two additional medical examiners.

There are no autopsy reports that say decidedly that Floyd died specifically of a drug overdose. I wish people would stop saying it does. (see more about this here: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...died-overdose/ )

[Desert Rat]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Below is an exhibit from the Hennepin County States Attorney's office. They are various notes from the Hennepin county medical examiner Dr. Andrew Baker, as well as findings from two alternated medical examiners. (Apologies, I'm not sure how to post this document as pictures)

I was going to rip and post the pdf...but I don't think my OCR could read that! Can you?

Anywho, thanks for providing these docs.